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On The Apostolical Succession
East Lewis County Catholic Community ^ | 00/00/00 | John CARDINAL Newman

Posted on 04/24/2002 5:42:17 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

 

ON THE APOSTOLICAL SUCCESSION

 

By the Venerable John Cardinal Newman

[Written while he was still a member of the Anglican Church, however this part of the text gives a good explanation for the doctrine about the sacrament of Holy Orders and apostolic succession.]


 

"WHEN Churchmen in England maintain the Apostolical Commission of their Ministers, they are sometimes met with the objection, that they cannot prove it without tracing their orders back to the Church of Rome; a position, indeed, which in a certain sense is true. And hence it is argued, that they are reduced to the dilemma, either of acknowledging they had no right to separate from the Pope, or, on the other hand, of giving up the Ministerial Succession altogether, and resting the claims of their pastors on some other ground...

It is intended in the pages that follow, to reply to this supposed difficulty; but first, a few words shall be said, by way of preface, on the doctrine itself, which we Churchmen advocate.

 

The Christian Church is a body consisting of Clergy and Laity; this is generally agreed upon, and may here be assumed. Now, what we say is, that these two classes are distinguished from each other, and united to each other, by the commandment of GOD Himself; that the Clergy have a commission from GOD ALMIGHTY through regular succession from the Apostles, to preach the gospel, administer the Sacraments, and guide the Church; and, again, that in consequence the people are bound to hear them with attention, receive the Sacraments from their hands, and pay them all dutiful obedience. I shall not prove this at length, for it has been done by others, and indeed the common sense and understanding of men, if left to themselves, would be quite sufficient in this case. I do but lay before the reader the following considerations.

 

1. We hold, with the Church in all ages, that, when our LORD, after His resurrection, breathed on His Apostles, and said, "Receive ye the HOLY GHOST,&emdash;as My FATHER hath sent Me, so send I you;" He gave them the power of sending others with a divine commission, who in like manner should have the power of sending others, and so on even unto the end; and that our LORD promised His continual assistance to these successors of the Apostles in this and all other respects, when He said, "Lo I am with you," (that is, with you, and those who shall represent and succeed you,) "alway, even unto the end of the world."

 

And, if it is plain that the Apostles left successors after them, it is equally plain that the Bishops are these Successors. For it is only the Bishops who have ever been called by the title of Successors; and there has been actually a perpetual succession of these Bishops in the Church, who alone were always esteemed to have the power of sending other Ministers to preach and administer the Sacraments....

 

2. But, perhaps, it may be as well to look at it in another point of view. I suppose no man of common sense thinks himself entitled to set about teaching religion, administering Baptism, and the LORD'S Supper, and taking care of the souls of other people, unless he has in some way been called to undertake the office. Now, as religion is a business between every man's own conscience and GOD ALMIGHTY, no one can have any right to interfere in the religious concerns of another with the authority of a teacher, unless he is able to show, that it is GOD that has in some way called and sent him to do so. It is true, that men may as friends encourage and instruct each other with consent of both parties; but this is something very different from the office of a Minister of religion, who is entitled and called to "exhort, rebuke, and" "rule," "with all authority," as well as love and humility.

 

You may observe that our LORD Himself did not teach the Gospel, without proving most plainly that His FATHER had sent Him. He and His Apostles proved their divine commission by miracles. As miracles, however, have long ago come to an end, there must be some other way for a man to prove his right to be a Minister of religion. And what other way can there possibly be, except a regular call and ordination by those who have succeeded to the Apostles?

 

3. Further, you will observe, that all sects [i.e. christian denominations, communities] think it necessary that their Ministers should be ordained by other Ministers. Now, if this be the case, then the validity of ordination, even with them, rests on a succession; and is it not plain that they ought to trace that succession to the Apostles? Else, why are they ordained at all? And, any how, if their Ministers have a commission, who derive it from private men, much more do the Ministers of our Church, who actually do derive it from the Apostles. Surely those who dissent from the Church have invented an ordinance, as they themselves must allow; whereas Churchmen, whether rightly or wrongly, still maintain their succession not to be all invention, but to be GOD'S ordinance. If Dissenters say, that order requires there should be some such succession, this is true, indeed, but still it is only a testimony to the mercy of CHRIST, in having, as Churchmen maintain, given us such a succession. And this is all it shows; it does nothing for them; for, their succession, not professing to come from GOD, has no power to restrain any fanatic from setting up to preach of his own will, and a people with itching ears choosing for themselves a teacher. It does but witness to a need, without supplying it.

 

4. I have now given some slight suggestions by way of evidence for the doctrine of the Apostolical Succession, from Scripture, the nature of the case, and the conduct of Dissenters. Let me add a word on the usage of the Primitive Church. We know that the succession of Bishops, and ordination from them, was the invariable doctrine and rule of the early Christians. Is it not utterly inconceivable, that this rule should have prevailed from the first age, everywhere, and without exception, had it not been given them by the Apostles?

 

But here we are met by the objection, on which I propose to make a few remarks, that, though it is true there was a continual Succession of pastors and teachers in the early Church who had a divine commission, yet that no Protestants can have it; that we [Anglicans] gave it up, when our communion ceased with Rome, in which Church it still remains; or, at least, that no Protestant can plead it without condemning the Reformation itself, for that our own predecessors then revolted and separated from those spiritual pastors who, according to our principles, then had the commission of JESUS CHRIST."

[Although Newman at this stage in his life believed that the English Church, the Anglicans and Episcopalians, had maintained valid orders among their clergy and had maintained apostolic succession because the separation was agreed to and lead by the English bishops, however, he agreed with the Catholic Church that the other Protestants had not. He said: "It may be said, that we throw blame on Luther, and others of the foreign Reformers, who did act without the authority of their Bishops....At the same time it is impossible not to lament, that they did not take the first opportunity to place themselves under orthodox Bishops of the Apostolical Succession. Nothing, as far as we can judge, was more likely to have preserved them from that great decline of religion, which has taken place on the Continent."]

From Tracts for the Times #15.


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TOPICS: General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: bishops; catholiclist; hierarchical; hughhewitt
FYI and discussion.
1 posted on 04/24/2002 5:42:17 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: nickcarraway;Catholic_list
bump
2 posted on 04/24/2002 5:44:02 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Hugh Hewitt;Generalissimo Duane
ping
3 posted on 04/24/2002 5:45:38 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue
I guess only in western Washington could they have on their site a link to parish volcanoes. :-)
4 posted on 04/24/2002 5:53:11 PM PDT by Mike Fieschko
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To: Lady In Blue
Thanks ... very well thought out and put together information on Apostolic Succession.
5 posted on 04/24/2002 5:58:49 PM PDT by Gophack
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To: Lady In Blue
bump for later reading.
6 posted on 04/24/2002 6:16:58 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: Mike Fieschko
That's too funny!hehehe!
7 posted on 04/24/2002 6:17:51 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Gophack
You're welcome,GOPhack.Cardinal Newman was a genius,that's for sure.
8 posted on 04/24/2002 6:18:39 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Lady In Blue
Cardinal Newman should be read more. Apostolic succession was one of the roads that led him home, thankfully.
9 posted on 04/25/2002 12:24:41 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway; Salvation; anyone
To whom it may concern:

In attempting to find a list of apostolic succession for the RCC, I have reached a dead end. After numerous word combinations with Google, and a search here on FR, I cannot find such a list.

I'm interested in such a list mainly for reference material, and curiosity. (I'd like to compare it to the list Eastern Orthodox people have, for example. And no, I haven't even started looking for that list, so if anyone knows of that one, that'd be great too).

Does anyone know if this is an unreasonable (or uneducated, or both) request on my part? I've heard it said (and I do believe this) that there is an "unbroken line of succession" of Popes, Bishops and Priests dating all the way back to Peter, in the Catholic Church, but I can't seem to find such a list. Perhaps I'm not phrasing my request properly in Google.

At any rate, this is my last attempt at this matter, as I feel I've exhausted all possible resources (I went to the Vatican website, and catholic.com and newadvent.org as well as Google and FR), and also not finding it won't make me doubt that such succession exists. Such a finding would only be something that would satisfy my curiosity, and possibly be useful in the future as reference material.

In conclusion, I'd like to find it, but at the very least, I'd like to understand why such a list is not available for easy public viewing. (at least apparently not readily available)

Thanks,
47

P.S. I'm thinking at this point that such a list probably would be very large, but I can't imagine, with the Internet and computer technology, that it would be so unwieldy as to not be possible, in this electronic age.

10 posted on 02/28/2005 2:49:11 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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