Replies

Let me remind you that Jesus was resurrected with a flesh and bone body. It was a glorified body, but still flesh and bone. We will get bodies like that when He returns. To deny that Jesus rose bodily from the grave, as you are doing, marks you as an heretic. It is a basic doctrine of the Christian faith.

As you well know, I don't deny that Jesus rose bodily, I deny that he arose with a physical body. He arose with a spiritual body. You keep ignoring nearly the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 and instead base your understanding on one verse of scripture that has a logical explanation.

Let me try this one more time and then I'll give up and figure you both just don't get it. :-)

Stay with me here. God created the physical universe through Christ. Agreed?

Everything in the physical universe is made of created matter in the form of atoms, molecules, subatomic particles, and some other things that are unknown to science, but created by God through Christ...agreed?

If everything that God created through Christ were to disappear, the only things left would be God and those things that God created eternal. In other words, things that are on a different plain of existence besides the physical universe we live in....agreed?

Those things that are left cannot be made of anything physical because all things in the universe, seen and unseen, are part of the creation....agreed?

Anything that is left must be made of substance that is NOT created since all things that were created of a different substance are gone...agreed?

God is spirit and is made of non created material.

Joh 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.

Agreed?

Jesus Christ was God before his incarnation and made of non-created material. Therefore he was also spirit. Agreed?

Jesus Christ was made flesh and blood. Agreed?

Now we come to the crux of the matter (if we've agreed up to this point).

What was Jesus AFTER he was resurrected?

Let's let Jesus answer this:

Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Before the world was, Jesus had the SAME glory as God the Father. His prayer was to RETURN to that SAME glory that he had. To his spiritual body.

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Here Paul says it again. Jesus was made a spirit. A spiritual body.

I have the word of Jesus Christ of Nazareth and Paul. I'm sorry, but I won't accept your word over theirs.

Here Paul says it again. Jesus was made a spirit. A spiritual body.

Pretty good job of splanin thar fella, and I hope your right, "cuz" (a little CD language there:-)I don't care if I ever see this old physical body again.

My vote is for Doug's glorified spiritual body.

JH :-)

As you well know, I don't deny that Jesus rose bodily, I deny that he arose with a physical body. He arose with a spiritual body. You keep ignoring nearly the entire chapter of 1 Corinthians 15 and instead base your understanding on one verse of scripture that has a logical explanation.

Then you deny Jesus' own words.

Luke 24:36-40

36 Now while they were talking about this, Jesus Himself took His stand among them and said to them, Peace (freedom from all the distresses that are experienced as the result of sin) be to you!

37 But they were so startled and terrified that they thought they saw a spirit.

38 And He said to them, Why are you disturbed and troubled, and why do such doubts and questionings arise in your hearts?

39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Feel and handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.

40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.