Posted on 08/19/2026 7:37:13 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
Dear Friends;
Two of the best out there on end times teaching and cutting edge biblical current events; All things are EXPONENTIALLY growing and moving our nation and the world to the Day of the Lord! Even if you are not a believer, you cannot neglect that America is too far gone, and godless evil is saturates our nation. We need more than President Trump ( thank God for him).
This discussion of today’s America with Jan and Michelle is very sobering and pointing us all to the only hope America and this high tech godless last days world has; Jesus Christ and His atonement at Calvary (John 1:12, Acts 16:28-31, Rom. 10:3-4, 1 John 4:10). Jesus is coming again! Are you ready?
Maranatha ☝️😊
David
Later
If AOC becomes our next President, that will confirm to me that the end times really are near. People have noted that the US does not seem to be there in end times prophecies. That suggests that the US will no longer be a global power by then. President AOC could bring that about.
Unauthorized prophesy. I get this from church lady friends Why do they do this?
Despair is a sin.
“Sdespair is a sin”
Agreed.
I didn’t go to the link as it was the title that bothers me. God said he would never leave us, or forsake us. He also said if we repent, torn back to him, humble ourselves and pray, that he would forgive us and heal our land. Sounds like we have forsaken God, not the other way around. People have CHOSEN evil. God saw it before we did it. There IS acure. We can turn back to God and walk in his ways.
To hear that God has turned on his people is a disgusting accusation of the Holy One.
I could say more, but I’m not feeling well today.
In the meantime, get to know Him personally, and test the spirits of those who accuse him.
“America is too far gone...”
The American “church” is far too FAITHLESS.
How about, instead of these faithless hacks, I’ll take “What Jesus Said” for $800, Alex.
“DO NOT let your hearts become distressed. You believe in God; believe also in Me.”
I believe that the Whole Counsel of Scripture points to a phenomenal End Of Days REVIVAL, EVAN AS darkness also is descending. It is for the final fate of these immortal souls that The Church MUST be campaigning, firstly in prayer and secondly on the streets.
I here recapitulate the cry of the Moravian Mission:
“May The Lamb Who was slain receive the fullness of the reward for which He suffered!”
DO NOT DESPAIR, therefore, but PERSEVERE in FAITH!
Bump
Well, maybe. Obviously the Bible is clear that as the earth moves closer to the last days, mankind will become worse and worse, and it sure seems like we are seeing that. But America itself was simply a Nation that started out and developed as a place where there were an abundance of believers. As time went on a lot of foreign Godless influences have greatly diluted that pool of believers in this Country. The Bible says that the people with itching ears(those who refuse to believe sound biblical doctrine) will gather unto themselves the kind of false teachers that will itch their ears for them and tell them what they want to hear instead. We have been seeing that also, Catholics for choice, churches that exchange the truth for the lies of homosexuality and other moral degenerate beliefs. And enough of the Godless exist that more and more we see ourselves electing people to “govern” us that are simply not really compatible with Judeo Christian values and beliefs. But this is probably not God turning His back on America, it is more likely just more sings of the end times, when the wheat must be separated from the chaff. God needs to show exactly who is willing to stand with Him and His Word, and who is not.
One shoul focus on their own salvation, for that is what matters most. If a loved one has srayed, pray for them as well. But the choice to accept the Lord as our creator, and Jesus as our Savior, is our personal responsibility.
Totally, it’s one’s personal choice; God has called all believers in Jesus to go as well ( Matt. 28:18-20)
Maranatha ☝️👍
It’s true. The rush to SOCIALISM is clearly a sign. Stock up.
Not distressing but rejoicing, Jesus is coming, my bro!
Indeed, there will be a great revival under the Two Witnesses and the 144,000 coming after the rapture of the bride - Rev. 7,14
Maranatha!
Wow! Great write-up! Thanks for sharing! Blows my mind that people choose not to see it! Maranatha!
Yes, The signs are everywhere - great points; thanks for sharing! Maranatha!
Amen, and if there’s an early flight, I’m going to be on it.
But Paul is not one to use figurative language and parables when he declares the facts about these things, and basis his teaching, I think we’re in the mix until Revelation 14:14.
I’ve gone around about this for a few decades, and I’ve had different takes in the past, but some of the point-blank claims Paul makes in his letters paint the whole thing in an inescapably exact way — in agreeing with him, there’s only one stance that meshes with everything he says. So that’s a short history of how I come to think as I do.
A particular point of interest is 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 where Paul in the same breath speaks of the coming of Christ and our being gathered to him, then goes on to describe those events as occurring on a singular day. Now, whether that day is a literal day or a figurative day isn’t totally clear, but it’s also not germane to Paul’s point.
It’s an immutable piece of the larger eschatological puzzle, and it has to fit the eventual Big Picture WITHOUT textual gymnastics.
Paul drops another bombshell in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 where he flatly declares that the resurrection of the Dead in Christ, and the subsequent transformation of those in Christ still living, will occur at the last trumpet (ref. Revelation 11:15). And he details the sequence more exactly in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 affirming that in no way will anyone alive see Christ before those who’ve died in faith are resurrected.
Again. More immutable puzzle pieces. Whatever the Big Picture looks like, these must fit exactly as they are; there’s nothing figurative to what Paul is saying in these passage, so there’s no way to “interpret” around their literal meaning.
One thing that’s really interesting in tracing the chronology through Revelation is the linkage of Rev. 11:19 with Rev. 16:17ff: they’re the same moment. So we have reference points for indexing the events in different chapters. In this case, a powerful evidence that the Seven Vials Of Wrath are poured out in rapid succession immediately after the Last Trumpet announcing, among other things, the resurrection of the righteous dead and rapture of the faithful living. Thus the church is, indeed, not appointed unto wrath, and is taken up to be clothed in white raiment, mount up on horses, and join in Jesus’ immediate return.
And I’ll see you there, later of not sooner.
Keep the Faith.
Thanks for sharing your view. That’s why Free Republic is a great forum to discuss and challenge us all, especially on prophetic topics like this. I’m a pre-trib guy, pretty much deeply studied and heard all the different sides to this, and have come to that conclusion. The key is that Israel (earthly) is not the church (spiritual), but both have a purpose and plan in God’s ETERNAL plan for Adam’s fallen race.
Rev. 11:15, it states that it’s the 7th trumpet, not the last. I personally believe the last trumpet pertains to the Body of Christ, being that the church age is now complete,
Also, Rev. 6 states that the Lamb starts and opens the seals; God’s wrath is not Satan’s or man’s injustice or persecution, or wrath. We are with the Lamb when this all starts,
Greg Rooney of Connect the Dots has a great short series on all these topics. You can check them out if you want to compare, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpUclpeXLHc
Thanks again;
Shalom and Maranatha;
Oh, yeah, you’re welcome. I should note that you’re exactly on the same page I was on for the whole time since I was young.
Finally, in mid-life I was confronted with a few textual issues I’ll leave for your consideration, bearing in mind our constant charge to be good Bereans, and confirm everything by the Scriptures:
1. Whereas you may be right that the seventh trumpet won’t be the last one we’ll hear, it is the last one in Scripture, and Paul is specific about the resurrection of the righteous and immediately following rapture of the church taking place at the last trumpet. So if the seventh trumpet of Revelation isn’t the last one, then the rapture is even LATER than that, not earlier, and the concise language Paul uses to detail these events brooks no figurative reading. He’s being strictly literal in both his Corinthian and Thessalonian epistles, so I don’t see latitude for us to treat his claims in any way other than literally.
2. What constitutes “wrath” from God’s POV is a great question and I note two factors aiding our proper identification of it:
- God Himself EXPLICITLY labels the last and worst of His outpouring the Seven Bowls (or Vials) Of Wrath. There aren’t Seals of Wrath, or Trumpets of Wrath, but only Bowls of Wrath. I simply think we should take HIS labeling system as Canon.
- The notion that the Seals and Trumpets might also be “Wrath” arises out of the outcry of unregenerate, unrepentant sinners feeling the violence of God’s judgments in Rev. 6:16-17. But since when does the church erect any of her Theology upon the testimony of the unrighteous? I’m unaware that there is any other doctrine in all of Christendom that was formulated in this anomalous way, so I think it’s an error to draw this conclusion from the mouths of heathen and call it “sound doctrine.”
I was a great fan and student of Hal Lindsey since the days of his work “The Late, Great Planet Earth,” and I’ve followed any number of other prominent pre-trib teachers over the years, so I’m entirely versed in how that eschatological view is constructed.
Then, a little over 15 years ago, upon the challenge of a good friend, I consciously put aside all that I had been taught, went to the Bible and intentionally sought to reconstruct that exact eschatology STRICTLY by the text, and in doing so I found a few points in the text discordant with my then-current view, and to that extent was unable to achieve success in that endeavor. I found texts that literally say things the pre-trib view has to allegorize to get past, and foud no explicit texts matching explicit core claims of the pre-trib view. In fact, kinda to my horror, I found that the central claim that the church is raptured before Revelation 6 hangs on a rather tenuous synthesis of various scriptural bits, while it simultaneously relies on some of Paul’s clearest claims being read as symbolic so they don’t destroy the whole pre-trib edifice right at the outset.
So, that’s been my journey. I don’t demand that anybody walk in those same steps, though I know many who have. I lay it out there more as testimony than teaching, and challenge each one to confirm everything by the Scriptures, and not buy into it if they cannot. After all, the Father’s House is a big, big house with lots and lots of rooms, so to each their own under the banner of Christ, and if there really is an early out, I’ll for sure take it. My most sincere prayer is that, if there’s NOT an early out, the faith of those who fully expect one will not be shaken or destroyed by dismay or loss of trust in God.
Until we see him,
— HKMk23
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.