[Catholic Caucus] 28,000 German Catholics sign petition against pro-LGBT school curriculum endorsed by bishops

German Catholics have handed over a petition with 28,000 signatures demanding the retraction of pro-LGBT guidelines for Catholic schools endorsed by the German Bishops’ Conference (DBK).

The Catholic initiative Certamen launched a petition in response to the heterodox document called “Created, Redeemed, and Loved: Visibility and Recognition of the Diversity of Sexual Identities in Schools,” published by the DBK last year. The petition calls for the document’s withdrawal and has garnered 28,000 signatures, and was handed over to Bishop Heinrich Timmerevers last Sunday. Timmerevers serves as chairman of the Commission for Education and Schools of the German Bishops’ Conference and is seen as the main initiator of the controversial document.

The pro-LGBT guidelines state that “homosexual, bisexual, or asexual orientations” are “variations from the norm in human capacity for love,” and define “transgender identity” as “an incongruence between the biological sex present at birth and the opposite gender identity.”

German bishops Stefan Oster, Rudolf Voderholzer, and Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki have publicly condemned the heterodox document. Oster warned that the document implies a definition of human anthropology at odds with Catholic teaching.

“For a different doctrine of humanity leads to a different doctrine of revelation, of the sacraments, of salvation – and thus necessarily to a different doctrine of the Church and its existence – and ultimately even to a different understanding of the Triune God,” he said.

The organizers of the petition also focused their criticism on Catholic anthropology. They “opposed an anthropology presented in the guidelines that relativizes the biblical view of humanity as consisting of two sexes (Gen 1:27) in favor of a sociological self-definition.”

At the same time, they were motivated by “concern for the salvation of children and young people in Catholic schools, who have a right to the unabridged truth of Christ.”

According to Die Tagespost, the initiators of the petition wanted their protest to be understood as a fraternal correction. Danial Hager, first chairman of Certamen, said, We are not acting here as rebels, but as faithful sons of the Church whose hearts bleed in light of current developments.”

In addition to the signatures, Bp. Timmerevers was also presented with five questions regarding Church teaching, which, according to Certamen, had been sent to the bishop earlier but had remained unanswered until now.

The questions concern the relationship between the order of creation and the definition of gender, the sacrament of marriage as between a man and a woman, and the right of parents to raise their children free from gender ideology, all of which have been called into question by the heterodox document.

No homeschooling allowed.

Mass government run public education.

What can possibly go wrong?

I think they should add some Quran lessons while at it. Probably a good idea seeing how the demographic are going in Germany. Sarc

The Germans are almost always a few years behind us. They laughed at us when we had feminism. They laughed at us when this homo crap started. But then 5-10 years later they eventually absorb the BS and push it further than we ever did. Same thing they did with Eugenics which they adopted after us. In some cases as with Lynchburg they basically took what we were doing, translated it, slapped a swastika on it and called it their program. They ALWAYS take things to an absolute extreme once the stupidity gets inculcated: Recycling, wind turbines, Covid...

I always tell Germans laughing at the stupidity (and there really is a lot of dumb social junk) they see in the US to be cautious. It’ll eventually end up there too, and when it does, it’ll be far worse. We just tend to be faster to adopt it.

it is really pernicious when so-called clerics promote the “legitimization” of the homosexual “lifestyle”

welcoming all interested people is one thing, teaching against Biblical moral instruction is another.

there IS a big difference and these clerics are deliberately trying to confuse it.

“Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you realize that we will be judged more strictly,”
James 3:1

Sadly, many of my countrymen are really stupid when it comes to matters like these. I call them dumb, rude, uneducated (bleeps).

My apologies to anyone whom they have offended 😞

P.S.: I didn’t laugh about those neo-Commie movements then, and don’t laugh about them now.

To me, they are like the Black Death, the Spanish/Asian flu, AIDS or Covid: they spread like wildfire - and nobody is immune to their deleterious effects.

The US is in terms of social movements very fast to adopt new ideas.

It is where you see the rise of modern feminism, the LGBTQIA movement, recycling.

Example, Recycling started in the US LONG before it was in Germany, but once it came to Germany, they had “Der Gruene Punkt” which took it to an extreme and of course had the government running it all.

As these movements start you have others in the West look at the US and laugh because they often are stupid ideas, ridiculous, weird $hit like the gay homo crap we had for a while.

Every movie had to advertise for homos. Every politician had to pay homage to homos. The homo crap got put in schools, infected our health care system, it was so pervasive that there was no getting away from it. It was rubbed into your face 24/7 in the US. Now it’s mostly faded away again. In the US, these social movements come and go really fast! The US is a very faddy / trendy place.

But no kidding 5-10 years later (usually how long it takes with social movements), you have these same ideas in the more social conservative Euro states. Once the Germans adopt these feminist ideas, you get a push for quotas in parliament, female defense secretaries that never were in the military, laws regards “vergewaltigung in der Ehe.” How is anyone going to really be able to legally test and enforce this idea of “vergewaltigung in der Ehe?”

When they adopt these social movements, because these are highly centralized and socialized states where government has their fingers in EVERYTHING and have a gewalt monopol, they go totally nuts with the idea.

Abroad, people laugh at our second amendment and some of the folks that appear as lunatics. BUT it’s those lunatics that make government and the buerocracy think twice and have some restraint as they formulate and implement some of their policies. You have people in the US willing to take up arms if you push them to far. You need to think real careful about using eminent domain to seize people’s property, stepping on people’s religious freedoms, what you do to their children... There is a line which if crossed, in the US, you’ll get folks willing to go to extremes.

Perfect recent example (without the usual time delay), covid. We led the way with Covid, but the Germans went absolutely nuts, taking things much further and actually enforcing them. And it was largely garbage - over exaggerated by the MSM, politicized by grandstanding politicians and used in opposition politics, profiteering by big pharma/hospitals... In 1980 (pre DNA) we would have called it a bad flu season and moved on.

True, in Germany most fads arrive later than elsewhere - but then, they are mostly taken to extremes, with no sense for the right balance.

Too many ideologues in the enemedia (in my opinion, they are mostly behind all of this dung), and too few people who trust them.
That’s the downside of a high-trust culture, which we Germans share with the Scandinavians.

Sadly, we are obviously not alone in this: in Spain, there seems to be a similar pattern. One foolish fashion comes in, like «gay rights», and metastasizes immediately.

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