Posted on 12/01/2025 5:42:38 PM PST by grumpa
The program is about 48 minutes long. Click on the link at the Source URL.
Only the most anticipated event and you think it has already happened.
Get the time frame right, and the whole New Testament pops into vivid focus and makes sense. Get the time frame wrong, and you might well spiral into immediate irrelevance, and a much lower quality of life. Life is GREAT! God’s plans are AMAZING! Let’s go move some mountains for His glory!
The state-of-the-art best eschatology, postmillennialism, usually includes some form of preterism. Most of the prophecies in the Olivet Discourse, and John’s more detailed retelling of that discourse in prophetic (visual, right-brain) imagery, refers to the Jewish War, which lasted 7 years, started on schedule 40 years after Jesus pronounced God’s pending judgment upon “this generation,” and kicked the feet out from under the Kingdom of God’s two chief enemies — Rome, and apostate Israel.
Get the time frame right, and you can even explain Apocalypse to Turkish Muslims in a way that makes sense.
https://al-ve-oku.blogspot.com/2008/12/revelations-should-reveal.html
My Left Behind itches...
For those who have not bothered to watch this video, you should. I believe old school Dispensationalism has finally reached it's time. More and more young Evangelicals, with more access to alternate explanations and not tied to this relatively recently concocted theology, are not buying it anymore and are embracing a more traditional Christian orthodox understanding of the last things. Pretty soon, only a bunch of bitter old clingers-on will hold to it and it will die out. When the one time foremost exponents are abandoning it, the end is near (for Dispensationalism, that is).
Are you also a preterist??
You were first to immediately comment after the thread was started. You didn’t even bother watching the video.
So are you a preterist?
Luke 21 Radio: Catholic Bible prophecy in the tradition of St. Augustine
Yeah....ok. There wasn't unanimous consent on the issue....but I think you know that.
So you don't see the events of Revelation as being in the future?
Which I guess you would deny any of the prophecies of the OT regarding Israel?
Of course, not unanimous, but neither was it all over the place. There was at least a general consensus which eventually coalesced into the orthodox position.
So you don't see the events of Revelation as being in the future?
Not exactly and not totally. It's a little more complex than that, not black and white, not either/or.
Which I guess you would deny any of the prophecies of the OT regarding Israel?
Not as Dispensationalists understand it.
Watched the first 20 minutes a day it described My experiences very well.
I’m Hopeing the final half will be
More enlightening.
Thanks
That's a little bit of a change from your original post on this.
I hold the same traditional view of the End Times as was held by Jesus, the Apostles, and the early Church, including St. Augustine.
It's a little more varied than you want to think.
So which is it? Because your two comments are contradictory.
Bkmrk
No, not really. Some of the early Church Fathers developed speculative views of the End Times. It was the later ECF's (St. Augustine included) that were able to sort through all that and bring it back around in conformity to the apostolic teaching.
Not from what I’m reading.
What are you reading?
Preterest or Futurist—?
ealgeone — your statement “Perhaps the biggest fraud on the entire forum “ is a personal attack on grumpa.
Not a freeper thing to do
grumpa - interesting video.
Dudley Hall, David Holland, Mike Hayes, and host Matt Crouch challenge the traditional dispensationalist view of end-times prophecy (popularized in the 1970s by books like The Late Great Planet Earth), which emphasizes a future rapture, Antichrist, and great tribulation. Instead, they propose that most events in Matthew 24 and Revelation (except the final chapters) were fulfilled in the 1st century, particularly with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD.
- “fear-based teachings about an impending apocalypse have led to inaction, failed predictions (over 200 in history), and a focus on escape rather than cultural engagement” —> This is 100% correct, that is the pre-tribulation rapture fallacy
- “The “great tribulation” aligns with Roman siege, not a future event, and early Christians escaped based on Jesus’ warnings” -—> exactly, that’s precisely the triggering point that boosted the numbers of Christ followers in the years after 70 AD —> The Christ followers said “Look, Our God predicted this, and it happened and look, no Christians were killed”
- The panel emphasizes a “victorious eschatology” where God’s kingdom expands gradually through light overcoming darkness. -—> and that aligns with Daniel’s visions (a rock unhewn by human hands becoming a mountain that covers the earth - that is Christianity) . Daniel’s visions ended with 70 AD
Overall, very factual views —> Roman_war_criminal, it would be good for you to watch this. Critique it against your own pre-tribulation rapture beliefs
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