[Catholic Caucus] SSPX in Charlotte plans for new chapel to accommodate growth after Latin Mass suppression

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The headline and text seems very confusing. So is St. Anthony’s going to have Latin mass? I think that is what this means at least l hope so.

They’re look for new property to build a new St. Anthony’s. SSPX will keep offering the Latin Mass as always. Most likely they will use the old church building, under a new name, as a second Latin Mass chapel.

People shouldn’t be fooled though. At most they got 386 for Sunday Masses. That’s not that many. The Diocese of Charlotte, which includes 46 counties in western North Carolina, serves over 530,000 Catholics in total. So, although the SSPX have seen a 150 person increase at Sunday Masses in the last few months, they are having virtually no impact whatsoever on the lives of 99% of Catholics in that diocese. Even if it becomes significantly larger, the SSPX is such a ghettoizing force that it will have virtually no impact on the lives of the vast majority of Catholics there.

They only way the traditional movement will positively impact the Church faithful to any great degree is if it is more than a wholly SSPX concern.

So is St. Anthony’s going to have Latin mass?

It already does. The SSPX only does traditional sacraments. The chapel is probably overloaded. Unfortunaely it usually takes years to build a new church (zoning approvals, etc.) I would try to buy a parcel with an existing building, perhaps an unused Protestant church biilding, that could be repurposed. That would ne the fastest way to get in business.

The SSPX does operate outside of the direct supervision of the bishop in most cases, claiming emergency jurisdiction under Canon Law. Its status is irregular, but the Masses are valid, and assistance meets Sunday and Holy Day obligations. Further, the SSPX has faculties for Confession and Weddings from Rome.

St. Anthony’s has always had the TLM, exclusively. They are looking to build a bigger chapel.

Aren’t there enough congregations with a building larger than they need that could sell their current one and buy a smaller one that meets their need.

The headline and text seems very confusing.

Yes, welcome to the SSPX.

Learn about their Masses, and what "valid but illicit" means.

Ok, Captain. Here's a valid and licit Mass:

Go ahead and encourage Catholics to attend the above before attending below:

Diocese of Charlotte backs school that expelled children after parents challenged woke, LGBT content August 8th, 2025

The Diocese of Charlotte – headed by Bishop Michael Martin, who notoriously banned the Latin Mass in his diocese – is siding with a school that expelled children after their parents complained about the school’s adoption of woke ideology, including graphic, sexually explicit LGBTQ+ books.

The lawsuit by parents of the expelled children, Doug and Nicole Turpin, Turpin v. Charlotte Latin School, now before the North Carolina Supreme Court, “asks whether a private school can invite open dialogue and then expel students in retaliation for their parents’ protected speech.”

“Doug and Nicole Turpin sent their children, Olive and Luke, to Charlotte Latin expecting them to flourish,” begins the Turpins’ legal complaint. “Instead, Latin expelled them—abruptly, without warning, and without process.”

“The reason?” asked their filing, “Doug spoke up.”

Charlotte Latin School, which is not Catholic, “is marketed to parents as an apolitical, merit-based classical education private school which teaches children how to think, not what to think,” wrote Doug Turpin in an April 2023 op-ed. “When a new headmaster … was installed in mid-2020, a notice was sent out to all parents that the school has a new ‘foundational’ position which said DEI would be the lens through which every aspect of the school’s culture and curriculum will be managed.”

“Suddenly, alarming virtue-signaling, and woke class assignments were implemented,” said Turpin, who explained:

I was one of the leaders of a group of 60+ alarmed parents who created a group, Refocus Latin, which requested an audience with Latin’s Board. We were invited to make a presentation, with the explicit promise there would be no retaliation against us.

The presentation included images of artwork that suddenly began to appear in the school, such as a picture of Jesus with his throat cut and black blood flowing out from his body with the words “God is Dead.” The presentation also included a book that amounted to a how-to manual for gay sex found in the children’s library and a story containing a man graphically raping a young boy.

Turpin also noted, “my son reported to me that his teacher taught the class that Republicans are White supremacists who are trying to create Jim Crow 2.0.”

Earlier this week, the Catholic Diocese of Charlotte requested permission from the state Supreme Court to submit an amicus brief in support of the school’s freedom to terminate enrollment of students whose parents oppose it embracing a woke ideological stance.

Congratulations to the St. Anthony’s community and the SSPX.

Yes, the SSPX Masses are valid. The real question is if the same applies to some of the jamborees celebrated in the diocesan Bogus Ordo parishes.

Go ahead and encourage Catholics to attend the above before attending below:

A sedevacantist priest would look similarly impressive in offering Mass; if it comes down to pictures, would you suggest someone attend a Mass at a sedevacantist parish?

I mean, once you head off the reservation, where do you draw the line?

Yes, the SSPX Masses are valid.

The requirements for a Mass to be valid are not terribly high.

To state that an SSPX Mass is valid is to state the obvious; the issue has always centered around the source of their permission to offer Mass, as it isn't coming from the Church.

Your argument is disingenuous. You and I both know the SSPX are not sedevacantist.

And whether Captain Obvious, realizes it or not, the entire TLM community has now been put on a reservation.

And let’s talk about what’s “licit”.

In Montini’s Mess, altar girls, communion in the paw, lay readers, extraordinary eucharistic monsters are all licit.

In valid and “licit” TLM’s none of the above are licit.

So don’t give us your crap about what’s licit or not.

It’s the likes of you and Cardinal Cockroche, Michael Martin, etc who are drawing crooked lines.

It’s the Mass that counts; despite what you and the Cockroche and company falsely claim.

To state that an SSPX Mass is valid is to state the obvious; the issue has always centered around the source of their permission to offer Mass, as it isn't coming from the Church.

The above is a bold lie. Permission comes from Pope Pius V and his Bull Quo Primum.

I recommend you get familiar with it.

The above is a bold lie. Permission comes from Pope Pius V and his Bull Quo Primum.

If the SSPX had permission to offer the Mass, then their Masses would be licit.

Are you stating that the Church's position is that the Masses offered by the SSPX are, in fact, licit?

(That would be the "bold lie".)

Your argument is disingenuous. You and I both know the SSPX are not sedevacantist.

You were relying on pictures to make your point, and I simply pointed out the deficiency in that.

Why are SSPX Masses illicit? The excommunications have been lifted.

Why are gay pride masses licit?

Why are communist CCPA chicom masses licit, when children can not even attend and the pope is not prayed for in the canon?

[Catholic Caucus] SSPX in Charlotte plans for new chapel to accommodate growth after Latin Mass suppression

The Society of St. Pius X chapel on the outskirts of Charlotte has experienced slow but steady growth since Traditionis Custodes was published.