Posted on 11/12/2025 12:05:46 PM PST by vespa300
Now in the matter of Sabbath Observance, the Protestant rule of faith is utterably unable to explain the substitution of the Christian Sunday for the Jewish Saturday. It has been changed. The Bible still teaches that the Sabbath or Saturday should be kept holy. There is no authority in the New Testament for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday. Surely it is an important matter. It stands there in the Bible as one of the Ten Commandments of God. There is no authority in the Bible for abrogating this commandment, or for transferring it's observance to another day of the week.
(Excerpt) Read more at canadiana.ca ...
"For Catholics there is not the slighest difficulty. "All power is given me in heaven and on earth; as the Father sent me so I also send you" said our Divine Lord in giving his tremendous commission to his apostles......We have in the authoritive voice of the church, the voice of Christ himself. The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday to Sunday is proof positive of that fact......"
I don’t know who is more ignorant of the church historical position on this. Evangelicals or Catholics of today. It’s bizarre Catholics here are unaware this has been their position for over 1000 years. Today’s Catholic here on FR actually side with Evangelicals to try and argue there is a Bible basis for the change.
Weird.
In this cases, it’s the Catholics that are ignorant of their churches teaching.
Will Cronos say this not an official Catholic publication?
____In this cases, it’s the Catholics that are ignorant of their churches teaching.___
I think you are correct. It’s bizarre to watch Catholics here try to argue there is a Bible basis for the change of one of the 10 commandments, the weekly holy day that God made holy at creation.
Then the Evangelicals join with them and wala! Unity! Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, JWs, all unite.....small cults with the largest cult....
And they are ignorant that for over 1000 years.....the Papacy has always claimed.....rightfully....there’s no Bible basis for the change...WE CHANGED IT......who else would!
It’s an arrogance that if it wasn’t so blasphemous...it’s actually funny. We are above the Bible fools! We changed it and if you keep Sunday....and you are not Catholic you are a child following her Mommy. I mean...that has always been their attitude. I kind of admire that sort of....at least she’s honest.
____Will Cronos say this not an official Catholic publication?____
Yeah.....and join with Evangelicals in trying to argue there is a Bible basis for the change. Instant Unity!
But there is liberty for doing so, in Colossians 2:
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Cronos is funny. In one of his recent posts he argues that the Sabbath in the 10 commandments is a “ceremonial” law done away with at the cross. And just because it’s in the 10 commandments, doesn’t make it a moral law.
Uh, I guess he hasn’t read his own Catechism which says he has to keep Sunday holy, that Sunday replaces the Sabbath and there should be no work on Sunday, ....I mean the Catechism has a whole section on the 10 commandments and how they are still binding.
So why is the Sabbath done away with as a ceremonial law but Sunday replaces it as a binding law in the 10 commandments.
It’s like people who say keeping the 7th day is legalism...but I guess keeping the first day isn’t legalism ? Of course they don’t keep sunday either.
They are like....really out there.
____But there is liberty for doing so, in Colossians 2:
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.____
With all due respect, the key word is “shadow” in verse 17. There were annual “sabbaths” called Sabbaths and feast days....they were “shadows”.....all shadows point to the cross. They all came about AFTER sin.
The weekly Sabbath PREDATES sin. It was made for man in a perfect world. It does not point to the cross. It commemorates creation. Jesus said the Sabbath was MADE FOR MAN and he said till heaven and earth pass away....not one jot or tittle will the law change.
I think many confuse the annual sabbaths with the weekly Sabbath. By the way, the annual Sabbaths could fall on any day of the year depending on the year....they were based on a “date”.....not the enumerated day of the week which God set at creation. The 7 day cycle which has never changed in recorded history. Not even the calender change affected the 7 day weekly cycle.
Shadows were all done away with at the cross. The weekly holy sabbath predates sin. That’s why it will even be in the new earth. Isaiah 66.
Thank u
I meant to say the annual sabbaths could fall on any day of the week, depending on the year. As you know, November 12 today a Wednesday will be a different day of the week next year. Same with the annual sabbaths.
The weekly Sabbath God used to mark the 7 day week at creation....that cycle never changes. Has never changed. Because God made it a holy day...he blessed the 7th day and made it a holy day.
I like this translation of Genesis 2:2:
And so the whole universe was completed. 2 By the seventh day God finished what he had been doing and stopped working. 3 He blessed the seventh day and set it apart as a special day, because by that day he had completed his creation[a] and stopped working. 4 And that is how the universe was created.
The Good News Translation. It’s interesting to read the different translations. It hits us how important this 7th day Sabbath is.........special and blessed. I bet Adam loved his day off too.
I believe you’re overthinking it: Paul seems to be referring to weekly sabbaths. By his standard of liberty, Catholics are no more to be judged for Sunday-sabbathing than are SDAs and Messianic Jews for Saturdays.
Just relax and leave it alone.
It always seems hypocritical to me that Pharisee-types work so hard on the Sabbath to prevent working so hard on the Sabbath.
It's also a farce to try to attack Catholics using an excerpt from an obscure local publication from almost 100 years ago. Perhaps ones ignorance can be aided by what the Church actually teaches in it's own official documents, like Dei Verbum, the document from Vatican II on Divine Revelation:
But the task of authentically interpreting the word of God, whether written or handed on, has been entrusted exclusively to the living teaching office of the Church, whose authority is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ. This teaching office is not above the word of God, but serves it, teaching only what has been handed on, listening to it devoutly, guarding it scrupulously and explaining it faithfully in accord with a divine commission and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it draws from this one deposit of faith everything which it presents for belief as divinely revealed." (DV 10)
Paul SEEMS to be referring to weekly sabbaths. Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right to a man, but the ways thereof are the ways of death. Paul seems to observed the Sabbath over 80 times in the NT.
LOL.
The plain meaning to his audience, the Colossians, would have been Sabbaths broadly, I think. He could have specified but did not.
The SDA types trying to run over this board is getting monotonous. their own scholars from SDA’s earliest years admit that Paul in Col. 2:14-17 is referring to weekly Sabbath keeping:
“No one has proven better that Colossians 2:14-17 does mean what it says than the late Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi, who was the most prominent Sabbath scholar in the history of Adventism. Dr. Bacchiocchi flat-out confirmed what D. M. Canright taught almost 100 years earlier by his direct testimony that the Sabbath of Colossians 2:14-17 was, indeed, a reference to the weekly Sabbath of the Decalogue, and that it could not possibly refer to anything else (From Sabbath to Sunday, p. 360). To make matters even worse, he proved that Canright was right when he proved to the Adventist leaders of his day that Christians abandoned Sabbath-keeping hundreds of years before there was a pope or a Roman Catholic Church! Adding insult to insult, Bacchiocchi conceded that he could not prove that the influence of sun worship influenced Christians to adopt Sunday as their day of worship, once again giving Canright a huge victory for being right and exposing the perfidy of the Adventist leaders of his day, who were shown these facts to the point of over-kill. All we have to do to see how much Adventist leaders knew about the impossible problems with the Sabbath is to read the written debates that transpired between them and Canright between 1888 and 1919.”
Honest SDAs have left the cult when they realize the SDA leadership had been engaged in obvious dissembling: https://www.bible.ca/7-sabbathgate-1888ad-Kerry-Wynne.htm
Thanks. Jesus’ emphasis on keeping it simple enough even for children strongly counters the ecclesiastic embroidery festooning so much of Christendom.
bmk
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