Posted on 11/05/2025 12:16:23 PM PST by vespa300
The quickest way to start an online argument is to mention a topic where the stakes are highest and/or the diagreement is the most passionate. The proper Christian perspective on Mary, mother of Jesus is just such a topic.
For Roman Catholics, she is beloved, adored, even revered. It shows up in the way they pray, in the traditions they celebrate, and the stories about her that they share with one another. It stems, in part from the greek phrase Theatokos, which was formally adopted in the Council of Ephesus (431 AD) to affirm the Deity of Christ in opposition to sects that denied his deity. If Mary is known as the ‘Mother of God’, there can no longer be any doubt of who we mean when we speak of her son Jesus.
For Protestants, she is one of the great biblical examples of faithful women of God, who had the unique experience of being used of God in a way unlike any other human. She was a big part of helping Jesus grow to manhood, and even made appearances in his early ministry (Wedding of Cana). But for most Protestants, she plays no more role in actual acts of prayer or worship than, say, Jeremiah or Abraham might.
For many Protestants, who jealously guard the work of Christ on the Cross to redeem mankind as the unique role that none but the Son of God himself could take up is to profane the work of redemption itself.
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Never listen to a protty start a sentence about the Blessed Virgin Mary, much less finish one.
There couldn’t be a bigger waste of time.
Big you read what the Church said here? Care to comment?
Ephesians 4:3 “make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace”
Being a Catholic in a Hispanic area, I suspect this is targeted at a creepy heresy that has been injected into the Church by Hispanics.
100% Contrary to Church doctrine and belief, heretical sects (generally Hispanic) absolutely worship Mary and elevate her inappropriately.
Never listen to RCC rattle on about the Blessed Ever Virgin Co-Redemptrix Mary. A complete waste of time.
They have a lot more problems than Mary.
The only difference between the catlick/protestant argument and the shia/sunni argument is the color of the prophets.
I think all of you thumpers should STFU.
Protty? Really? Check out 11th_VA’s scripture quote.
Reading the comments, I am reminded of the differences between Shia and Shite.
People who normally would get along quite well, spend time insulting each other over something they have zero control over, and will never know for sure…until you are dead.
Both sides sound idiotic.
FReeper vespa300 is doing the FR equivalent of starting a fight by saying, “Did you hear what he called your Mama?”
Henceforth ALL generations shall call me blessed?
Who am I that the MOTHER of my Lord shall come to me?
Hail FULL OF GRACE?
A WOMAN shall crush thy head?
Or another scripture verse?
Henceforth ALL generations shall call me blessed?
Who am I that the MOTHER of my Lord shall come to me?
Hail FULL OF GRACE?
A WOMAN shall crush thy head?
Or another scripture verse?
For those who want an overview, here it is:
*Published on November 4, 2025 by the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) and approved by Pope Leo XIV, the document addresses theological concerns surrounding certain Marian titles:*
1. The often used title: *”Co-Redemtrix ”* is deemed inappropriate because it risks eclipsing the exclusive salvific role of Jesus Christ.
While Mary’s cooperation in salvation is affirmed, the term “Co-Redemtrix” is considered misleading and theologically imprecise.
This is surprisingly in line with what the Reformers of the 16th century taught.
2. *The traditionally used “Mediatrix of All Graces” is treated with caution.*
The note acknowledges Mary’s intercessory role but warns that this title, if not carefully qualified and explained, could obscure the uniqueness of Christ as the one mediator between God and man ( it even quotes 1 TIMOTHY 2:5 ).
3. The document encourages titles that emphasize Mary’s maternal role, such as Mother of the Faithful, and First Disciple, which better reflect her place in salvation history without doctrinal confusion.
4. It critiques certain Marian devotions and dogmatic proposals—especially those amplified through social media—that lack grounding in Scripture and tradition, and may sow confusion among the faithful.
This is actually a positive step and has ecumenical resonance.
By reaffirming that salvation comes through Christ alone, the Vatican echoes core Protestant and Reformed convictions rooted in *solus Christus*
This move may ease longstanding theological tensions and foster deeper dialogue.
Read or download the original document here:
RE: Poor Mary. Now that she got demoted …
Demoted is not the right word, she was given her PROPER PLACE OF HONOR.
So before now she was in an IMPROPER place of honor?
Excellent. Thx for that.
Yes, a heretical cult inside the Catholic Church, generally from Mexico and points south improperly venerate her to the point of worship, contrary to Church doctrine.
I am Catholic and have no problem pointing out heresy inside the Church.
The heretics are bad witness to the Church and make for easy slander against the Church by their wrongdoing.
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