Posted on 10/13/2025 9:24:36 AM PDT by ebb tide
The cruelty taking place under Leo XIV is becoming loud and deafening. Rome does nothing.
Tragic.
And not even one alternative venue was offered in a diocese of 14,000 square miles occupying all of East Tennessee. The current bishop was named by Francis last year.
Document below:
Update: If that were not enough, the faithful in the Novus Ordo mass in one of the venues, the Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul, in Chattanooga, were subjected to this simultaneously pseudo-overeducated and misinformed homily haranguing them about the Traditional Mass. Gross: just your usual cruel priest, in a war against faithful Catholics and requesting "obedience" (click for better view).
Ping
Eastern Catholics surely wondering if they will be the next target for such treatment.
The combination of arrogant cruelty and smarmy gaslighting is about as opposite to "Christ-like" as imaginable.
In Buffalo Diocese, they turned the one TLM church into a “oratorio” - effectively a private church.
It sounds like with this church in Tennessee, they are giving the modern Missal, but allowance for it to be spoken in Latin with Gregorian Chant.
Once in a while you ought to read what you post, ebby. Sometimes it is not what you think it is - you find the wrong message from your Cartoon Network. This is such an example. This is the message that you don’t understand - but should:
“I speak to you now with the heart of a father who desires only your good and your salvation: don’t be Protestant. Remain united with the Church that Christ founded. In our time, some voices though clothed in reverence and tradition are drawing faithful souls into attitudes of suspicion, division, and disobedience. This is a grave danger. It is never a light thing to separate oneself, even in spirit, from the Body of Christ. To elevate personal liturgical preference over communion with the Church, made manifest especially in the Office of St. Peter, is to risk repeating the tragic errors of the past-errors that began with zeal for reform, but ended in rebellion and schism. Some communities, such as the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), may preserve venerable liturgical forms, but they do so outside the full obedience owed to the Vicar of Christ. The Church has made clear that their canonical status remains irregular, and the faithful are not encouraged to attend their liturgies. Participation in such communities, when it expresses a rejection of the Church’s legitimate authority, can constitute a true rupture of communion-a wound to the unity Christ desires. The Church’s own canonical experts have clarified that a person formally adhering to a schismatic movement may incur the penalty of excommunication. This is not about punishment, but about the seriousness of choosing separation over communion. The Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts explains that such adherence occurs when one “opts for the followers of Lefebvre in such a way that this option is placed above obedience to the pope.” (PCLT Communicationes, 29 [1997] 239-243)1
Please stop posting your anti-Pope, anti-Catholic missives. They are damaging in more ways than you seem to understand.
Homos, “Take a hike!”
But we’ll have a full slate of LGBTQ+ masses for every fetish!
At the Jubilee of Marian Spirituality on October 12, Leo XIV declared that “some forms of worship do not foster communion with others and can numb our hearts.”
The context was pious; the implication was profane. Spoken just days after another diocese suppressed the Latin Mass, this line is an indictment. When a pontiff says certain “forms of worship” numb the heart, he is suggesting that the form sanctified by the saints, codified by Trent, and canonized by Quo Primum is somehow spiritually defective, even dangerous.
This is sacrilege. To claim that the ancient Roman Rite, the very form of the Mass in which countless saints were sanctified, “does not foster communion” is to call evil good and good evil. It is to invert the very purpose of worship, making fraternity the measure of truth rather than truth the foundation of fraternity.
OK, I’ll go off the tracks - - -
Just speak in tongues.
Who knows if that is Latin or not????
But God knows!
It’s very sad. A gussied-up Novus Ordo (ad orientem, Gregorian chant, communion rail) would undoubtedly be 10x better than a typical Novus Ordo, and yet we on the trad side MUST reject this tactic. It’s nothing more than a stratagem by the enemies of the the TLM— a bait-and-switch trick to get trads to give up the Mass of the Ages. Their idea is that once the old Mass is sufficiently abandoned they’ll come up with some reason why their Latin Novus Ordo is divisive, elitist, disunifying blah blah blah and then pull the plug on that.
I don’t believe that the suppression of the TLM is good for the Catholic Church, and I don’t believe it should be done. What I do believe is that I am not in charge of the Catholic Church, and I have no right to hold my beliefs above those of the Pope or the Bishops. I have no right to expect a priest who solemnly vowed to obey the Pope and the Bishops to break that vow to please me or even himself.
These are the cards we are currently dealt. These are the Popes God has given us, this is the Church Jesus gave us. It is not fair to your priest to debase him because he is constrained by his Bishop’s orders. It is presumptuous to openly insult and question your Bishop. There are dioceses where the TLM is available and encouraged. If the TLM is so important to you, it would be better for you to pull up stakes and move to where it is available than to publicly attack the heirarchy of the true Church because you don’t agree with their decisions.
Insinuating that the Novus Ordo is unacceptable or inferior is also not helpful. It is insulting and hurtful to those of us who participate in it. The Eucharist is the Eucharist there as legitimately as it is at the TLM. I love the TLM, and I never want to see it end. I attend a NO church where our priests are extremely pious and are bringing back many of the older traditions.
To dismiss the NO as illegitimate actually reinforces the concerns that some TLM advocates are fomenting devisivness in the Church. As an obedient Catholic, you must accept the NO as legitimate. You can choose not to attend it in favor of TLM as much as possible, but you are not allowed to negate it.
Please keep fighting respectfully for the TLM, but don’t denegrate the Church or your brother and sister Catholics who are happy and fulfilled with the Novus Ordo. Obeying the Pope is central to being a Catholic. There is no clause that says that changes if you don’t agree with him.
In the long run, we know that our Holy, Catholic Church will prevail, in spite of antipopes, disagreements, hereseys, holy wars and all that has happened and will continue into the future. The Catholic Church isn’t a democracy, or a place for change by popular uprising.
Just keep praying for Holy Mother Church, and going to Mass in whatever form is available, working respecfully and as a servant to change what you can and accept what you must.
This too, shall pass, and the Catholic Church will be victorious in the end.
My 2 cents
/soapbox
Love,
O2
Numerous Catholic families have done just that; only to be disappointed by a new frankenbishop who yanks the TLM away from them. Who can blame them for being bitter?
How about obeying a sainted Pope, Pius V, and his bull Quo Primum?
Keep in mind, St. Pius did not prohibit future rites of the Catholic Mass, he merely forbade the suppression of the TLM.
I don’t blame anyone for being bitter. I’m fairly bitter about it myself. It is just not healthy to feed that bitterness and let it lead you to dark places. We have to submit to the Pope we have now.
As Americans we have a very hard time with absolute authority because we’ve never had to live under it. It’s hardwired in us to fight against injustice and stand up for the oppressed.
For better or worse, we as Catholics are subject to the authority of the Pope and the Magisterium. I suspect it’s for the better in the long run because God is the one who set it up that way. There are no politicians we can vote out of office, no propositions we can vote into law.
Using words like “annihilated” and “humiliating” is inflammatory. In the letter you posted, what I saw was a man trying to explain why he had to do what he didn’t want to do when he knew it was going to make a lot of people angry and probably subject him to angry and bitter screeds like the one posted here. I saw no annihilation and I wouldn’t feel humiliated if my priest presented a similar letter.
I sympathize deeply with your complaints, but I am distanced by your methods and inference that if you don’t get the Mass in the form you want, you are being unjustly deprived of your rights. The novus ordo Mass is not beneath you, which is the impression you give.
As I said before, these are the cards we are dealt. You are not deprived of the Eucharist or the full expression of your Catholic faith just because there is no TLM available. Novus ordo is valid.
Making noises that sound like you want to leave the church because it’s not the way you want it, or it’s not run the way you want it, or it doesn’t look the way you want it, is counterproductive. Like the letter says, “Don’t be Protestant”.
Go to Mass, receive Jesus, pray for the priests and Bishops and the Pope, not to do what you want, but what God wants. Surprisingly, those two things might not be the same. The Mass is not for our edification. It is for worshiping God. As long as the Eucharist is there, that’s what happens.
As a great philosopher once said, “You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you just might find, you get what you need.”
Love,
O2
That's the crux of the problem. Pope Benedict XIV, in Summorum Pontificum, gave all priests permisson to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.
What would you do, if a future pope (maybe Pope Tucho) ordered all married couples who had four children to start practicing artificial birth control in order to save Gaia, Mother Earth?
Would you submit to him?
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