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Bishop Eleganti: Vatican II reforms were a ‘reckless,’ ‘failed’ experiment
LifeSite News ^ | September 15, 2025 | Bishop Marian Eleganti

Posted on 09/16/2025 8:16:17 AM PDT by ebb tide

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1 posted on 09/16/2025 8:16:17 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 09/16/2025 8:16:59 AM PDT by ebb tide (The "synodal church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

Excellent essay.

Thanks for posting.

Prayers up for Holy Mother Church.


3 posted on 09/16/2025 8:44:23 AM PDT by Bigg Red ( Lord, make me an instrument of your peace.)
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To: Bigg Red

Agreed.


4 posted on 09/16/2025 8:47:27 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Annnd....TRUMP IS RIGHT AGAIN.)
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To: ebb tide

Totally agreement here. V2 fixed things that weren’t broken, but now are broken.


5 posted on 09/16/2025 8:48:56 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Freedom is never free. It must be won rewon and jealously guarded.)
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To: ebb tide
Sunday and weekday services are attended mainly by old people.

This kind of stereotyping is not helpful, because it is not true. The nature of the congregation varies greatly among parishes, even where the novus ordo is offered exclusively. Parishes with more obviously Catholic 'look and feel' and more clearly orthodox preaching tend to have a more healthy balance of ages, compared to parishes that look and feel like it's always 1979. I have observed this phenomenon in multiple dioceses, in multiple States, even in English speaking foreign countries. However, I have never seen a "Latin Mass" Parish that does NOT have a healthy balance of ages in the congregation.

6 posted on 09/16/2025 8:59:39 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Thank you for posting this.


7 posted on 09/16/2025 9:02:38 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (“Killer rabbit jokes have a long tradition in medieval literature.“ - Dr. James Wade)
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To: NorthMountain

The Catholic church across the street is full of old people, along with some adult sons and daughters who drive the old folks there. They have an “altar girl” who serves Mass, she is about 80. That’s because children don’t attend Mass.


8 posted on 09/16/2025 9:46:03 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods (Annnd....TRUMP IS RIGHT AGAIN.)
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To: ebb tide

To correct the monumental errors enacted by the Vatican homo Curia just reverse VatII and reinstate the Traditional Church Law as established by Christ and his Apostles.


9 posted on 09/16/2025 10:03:13 AM PDT by chopperk
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To: SaxxonWoods

Thank you for illustrating my point.

Orthodoxy begets attendance.

Attendance begets vocations.


10 posted on 09/16/2025 10:32:45 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide

Very interesting.


11 posted on 09/16/2025 10:37:05 AM PDT by Trump_Triumphant (“They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread”.)
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To: ebb tide

The betting window is open. The odds that this is another fired/disgruntled priest? Sounds European? N. Italy or further North? Dolomites? Alps? Bavaria? Any takers? Remember, if you are going to bet, ebby posts from fired priests, the excommunicated, heretics and others from his insane clown posse. The smart money is probably on a failed priesthood. Step up to the window!


12 posted on 09/16/2025 10:44:55 AM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: ebb tide

“Bishop Eleganti: Vatican II reforms were a ‘reckless,’ ‘failed’ experiment”. I can remember my Mom asking my Dad: “Why did they change it?”


13 posted on 09/16/2025 10:49:44 AM PDT by kawhill
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To: Oystir

An intelligent person, instead of posting a sarcastic “bet”, would have simply done a very little bit of research on Bishop Eleganti ... and found that he is retired and in good standing with the Church.


14 posted on 09/16/2025 10:56:53 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Swiss Bishop: I No Longer Expect Anything Good From the Upcoming Synod


15 posted on 09/16/2025 11:07:28 AM PDT by ebb tide (The "synodal church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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Oysters have a decentralized nervous system made of ganglia, not a central brain, and lack the capacity for complex thought or consciousness.
16 posted on 09/16/2025 12:35:17 PM PDT by ebb tide (The "synodal church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

Apropos of nothing in particular, one of the best concerts I ever attended was Blue Oyster Cult at Bessie’s Boathouse.


17 posted on 09/16/2025 12:37:36 PM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ebb tide
Most illuminating to think of VII -- or its implementation -- as another "stripping of the altars":
As a child, I witnessed the iconoclasm in the venerable Church of the Holy Cross in my hometown. The Gothic carved altars were torn down before my child eyes. What remained was a people’s altar, an empty choir room, the cross in the choir arch, Mary and St. John on the left and right on white bare walls. New stained glass windows flooded with the rising sun in the east. Nothing more: it was an unprecedented clear-cutting. We children found everything normal and appropriate, and diligently saved for the new stone floor in order to make our contribution to the reform or renovation of the church.

18 posted on 09/16/2025 2:55:41 PM PDT by nicollo (Trump beat the cheat! )
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To: NorthMountain; ebb tide

It looks like a close finish; a photo finish? Eleganti was born about the same time, in Switzerland, as your Pope Leo but didn’t become a priest until 1990. He “retired” in 2019, well before the retirement age of 75. Pope Leo just turned 70. HMMMMMMMM. Was he “offered” early retirement, which he accepted, as opposed to the Fired Strickland who is disobedient? Was there bad behavior in word or deed? HMMMMMMMM. Several sources indicate that the resignation was prompted by disagreements with other Swiss bishops. AHHHHHH, just like the Fired Strickland, he doesn’t play well with others. A Loser! Guilt by circumstances and ebby publishing/affiliation.

Do your research boys and girls. Especially if ebby is posting his usual nonsense from the Cartoon Network.


19 posted on 09/16/2025 4:03:59 PM PDT by Oystir ( )
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To: Oystir

He voluntarily retired because he was fed up with Bergoglio’s Frankenchurch and his evil Sin-Nod.


20 posted on 09/16/2025 8:34:49 PM PDT by ebb tide (Oysters have no central brain, and lack the the capacity for complex thought or consciousness.)
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