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What was the Great Disappointment? {Seventh Day Adventism}
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Posted on 07/25/2025 2:09:15 PM PDT by Cronos
The Great Disappointment describes an episode in Seventh-day Adventist history when followers of William Miller (1782—1849) became bitterly disillusioned after his 1843 and subsequent 1844 predictions for the second coming of Christ failed to come to pass.
William Miller was a farmer and army captain who served in the War of 1812. In 1816, Miller converted from Deism to Christianity and began to study the Scriptures. Eventually, in 1833, he became a licensed Baptist minister.
After fourteen years of Bible study focused mainly on the books of Daniel and Revelation, Miller believed that he had uncovered the key to Daniel’s prophecies. In 1831, Miller predicted that the second coming of Jesus Christ would take place within a year of March 21, 1843. Miller’s ideas were published in 1836 in a book titled Evidence from Scripture and History of the Second Coming of Christ, about the Year 1843.
Over time, Miller’s preaching about the return (or second advent) of Christ attracted widespread interest among Baptists, Methodists, and Presbyterians in America. These followers, labeled Millerites by critics, numbered in the hundreds of thousands as the predicted date drew near. Some of these Americans quit their jobs and gave away their possessions, utterly convinced that Christ’s return was imminent and sure.
When the anticipated time came and went without event, Miller recalculated a more specific date for Christ’s return and settled on October 22, 1844. When that date also passed without the Lord’s return, most of Miller’s followers abandoned the movement, and Miller himself retired into relative obscurity and died a few years later. Those who had embraced Miller’s adventist preaching experienced great grief and sorrow—they had truly believed that they would be transported to heaven in 1844, but it didn’t happen. Their lives went on as before. The event became known as “the Great Disappointment.” Those who stayed in the movement called themselves the “remnant” and formed the foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Church and Advent Christian Church.
Later Adventists attempted to save face concerning the Great Disappointment by reinterpreting the prophecies upon which Miller had determined his dates. Rather than being the time of Jesus’ return to earth, they said, October 1844 was the start of Jesus’ final atoning work. According to the remnant, it was when Jesus entered the Most Holy Place in the heavenly sanctuary to begin judging who would be saved—His final action before His second coming.
Miller was not the first or last misguided preacher to forecast the end of the age, but he may have been the most persuasive and notorious in recent Christian history. The Great Disappointment could have been avoided if only Miller and his followers had grasped a crucial biblical truth. Yes, followers of Jesus Christ are called to live in confident expectation of the Lord’s return at any moment (Titus 2:13). And Revelation 22, the last chapter in the Bible, reassures us that Jesus Christ is coming soon. Miller was right on that essential. But for all his study of Scripture, Miller missed a vital truth. Our expectation of Christ’s second coming is to be tempered with this fact that Jesus made very clear: “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36). God has specifically chosen not to reveal the day or time of Christ’s return.
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The Investigative Judgment contradicts Scripture’s clear teaching on Christ’s completed atonement and judgment:
- Hebrews 9:12: “He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.” This states Christ’s sacrifice at Calvary (c. 33 AD) fully atoned for sins, entering the heavenly sanctuary at His ascension, not 1844. White’s claim that Christ began this work in 1844 (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422) denies His finished work (John 19:30: “It is finished”).
- Hebrews 10:10-14: “We have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all… by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” This refutes a 1844 investigative process, affirming Christ’s single, perfect sacrifice. White’s ongoing judgment undermines this, suggesting His work was incomplete.
- John 5:24: “Whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged.” Believers are judged at conversion, not in a 1844 review. Adventism’s delay contradicts Christ’s promise.
- 1 John 2:1-2: “If anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One… He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins.” Christ’s advocacy is immediate, not contingent on a 1844 investigation. White’s doctrine adds a human works element, violating Galatians 2:16.
- Daniel 8:14 Misuse: White ties the Investigative Judgment to Daniel 8:14’s “2300 evenings and mornings,” interpreted as 2300 years ending in 1844. This is baseless. The text refers to Antiochus IV’s Temple desecration (167-164 BC, 1 Maccabees 1:41-54, 4:52-56), a literal 2300 days, not years. Ezekiel 4:6’s day-for-year principle is symbolic, not universal, and Daniel 8:26 calls it a “vision,” not a prophetic timeline.
The Seventh day Adventist doctrine is unbiblical as it is denying Christ’s completed redemption
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:09:15 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
The history of the creation of the Investigative Judgment doctrine, is as follows:
1844 Great Disappointment: White’s doctrine emerged after William Miller’s failed prediction of Christ’s return on October 22, 1844. To salvage this flop, Hiram Edson claimed a vision of Christ entering the heavenly sanctuary, which White later adopted (*Early Writings*, p. 54-56). This was a post-hoc invention, not divine revelation, born of human error.
Needless to say this belief didn't exist before 1844.
No early Church Father (e.g., Augustine, Chrysostom) or Reformation theologian (e.g., Luther, Calvin) taught a 1844 investigative judgment. The concept is absent from Christian tradition until Adventism’s 19th-century desperation, contrasting with the Church’s consistent view of Christ’s immediate intercession (Hebrews 7:25)
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:12:42 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
The linguistic basis for the Investigative Judgment collapses under scrutiny:
- “2300 Evenings and Mornings” (Daniel 8:14): The Hebrew term *ereb boqer* (“evenings and mornings”) typically denotes literal days (e.g., Genesis 1:5). The Septuagint and Theodotion translate it as “days,” aligning with Antiochus’ 2300-day Temple desecration (167-164 BC). Adventism’s day-for-year interpretation, based on Ezekiel 4:6, is a forced analogy, not a linguistic norm. Daniel 8:26’s “vision” (Hebrew: *chazon*) suggests a symbolic timeframe, not a prophetic era.
- “Cleansing of the Sanctuary”: The Hebrew *taher* (“to cleanse”) in Daniel 8:14 refers to the Temple’s purification after Antiochus’ defilement (1 Maccabees 4:36-59).
Adventism reinterprets this as a heavenly judgment, but no linguistic evidence in Daniel supports a shift from earthly to celestial context. The Greek *katharismos* in the Septuagint reinforces a physical cleansing, not a 1844 audit.
- Daniel 9:24-27 Link: You imply the 70 weeks (490 years) connect to the 2300 days, but Daniel 9:23 specifies Gabriel’s message as “insight and understanding” for the 70 weeks, not an explanation of Daniel 8. The Aramaic and Hebrew lack any textual bridge, making the Seventh Day Adventist 1844 timeline a linguistic fabrication.
In addition Investigative Judgment’s logic is riddled with contradictions and absurdities:
- Redundant Judgment: If Christ judges believers’ works from 1844 to determine salvation, why judge again at the Second Coming (Matthew 25:31-46, Revelation 20:11-15)? This duplicates judgment, implying God’s omniscience is flawed—logically absurd.
- Delayed Atonement: White’s claim that Christ’s atonement began in 1844 contradicts His immediate intercession (Hebrews 7:25). If sins weren’t atoned until 1844, how were Old Testament saints saved (Hebrews 9:15)? The Seventh day Adventist doctrine delays redemption, defying Christ’s finished work (John 19:30).
- 1844 Date Fabrication: The 2300-year timeline (457 BC to 1844 AD) relies on Artaxerxes’ decree (Ezra 7:11-26), but historical dates vary (e.g., 458 or 445 BC). Adjusting for zero-year transition, 1844 lacks precision, exposing White’s post-hoc adjustment after the Great Disappointment as a logical fudge.
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:16:41 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
Adventists hold that Daniel 8:14 is “a contextual island,” having nothing to do with the preceding verses. But do you get that impression when you read Daniel 8:9-14 in the accompanying box entitled “Daniel 8:14 in Context”? Verse 9 identifies an aggressor, a small horn. Verses 10-12 reveal that this aggressor will attack the sanctuary. Verse 13 asks, ‘How long will this aggression continue?’ And verse 14 answers: “Until two thousand three hundred evenings and mornings; and the holy place will certainly be brought into its right condition.” Clearly, verse 13 raises a question that is answered in verse 14. Theologian Desmond Ford says: “To detach Dan. 8:14 from this cry [“How long?” verse 13] is to be exegetically at sea without an anchor.”
Why do Adventists detach verse 14 from the context? To avoid an awkward conclusion. The context ascribes the defilement of the sanctuary, mentioned in verse 14, to the activities of the little horn. However, the “investigative judgment” doctrine attributes the defilement of the sanctuary to the activities of Christ. He is said to transfer the sins of believers to the heavenly sanctuary. So, what happens if Adventists accept both the doctrine and the context? Dr. Raymond F. Cottrell, a Seventh-Day Adventist and former associate editor of the SDA Bible Commentary, writes: “To pretend to ourselves that the SDA interpretation reads Daniel 8:14 in context then would thus be to identify the little horn as Christ.”
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:21:50 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: All
Lie #1
The Seventh day Adventist doctrine is unbiblical as it is denying Christ’s completed redemption The SDAs have never denied Christs completed redemption. His sacrifice was complete.
The SDAs have never whitewashed The Great Disappointment nor sugarcoated it. Unlike some denomination(s) who martyred tens of thousands (if not millions) of people who had a different creed or belief. Not all want to kneel and kiss the ring finger of a Pope, worship Mary, buy an indulgence, buy/wear a scapular and house homosexual predators and protect them from the law by re-location schemes.
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:22:24 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(There's a bike in town that keeps running me over! It's a vicious cycle.)
To: Cronos
What was the Great Disappointment?A synonym for false prophecy.
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:32:06 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: BipolarBob
Bipolar Bob, your Adventist assertion that Seventh-day Adventists “have never denied Christ’s completed redemption” and that “His sacrifice was complete” is a bold claim, but it crumbles under scrutiny when weighed against your sect’s core doctrine.
- Investigative Judgment Contradiction: You claim Christ’s sacrifice was complete, yet the SDA doctrine of the Investigative Judgment (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422), initiated in 1844, asserts Christ began reviewing believers’ works in the heavenly sanctuary to determine salvation. Hebrews 9:12 declares, “He entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption,” and John 19:30 states, “It is finished,” affirming a completed atonement at the cross (c. 33 AD). A 1844 review implies the sacrifice’s effects were incomplete until then—denying its fullness.
- Theological Inconsistency: If Christ’s redemption was complete, why a post-1844 judgment? Hebrews 10:10-14 states, “by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.” The SDA view adds a probationary phase, undermining grace (Ephesians 2:8-9) with works-based scrutiny, contradicting the Gospel’s immediacy (1 John 2:1-2).
- White’s Own Words: Ellen G. White, your prophetess, writes, “In 1844… our High Priest entered the most holy, to perform the last work of atonement” (*Early Writings*, p. 253). This suggests the atonement’s final phase began 1844, not at Calvary, directly clashing with your “complete” claim. Her 1856, 1844, and 1845 failures (*Testimonies*, Vol. 1, p. 131-132) further taint her authority.
- Historical Context: The Investigative Judgment emerged post-Great Disappointment (1844) to salvage Miller’s failed prophecy, adopted by White. Early Christians (e.g., Augustine, *City of God*, Book X) and Reformers (e.g., Calvin) saw Christ’s atonement as immediate, not a 1844 event, exposing SDA innovation.
your “complete redemption” claim collapses—SDA’s Investigative Judgment denies Christ’s finished work (Hebrews 9:12), a White lie from 1844. Adventism’s evils—false prophecies, heretical judgment, Sabbath idolatry, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one verse supporting a 1844 judgment. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash, and flee to Christ’s Church (Ephesians 2:8-9). Face truth, not delusion
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:51:01 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: BipolarBob
The various Satanic teachings of Adventism all tie back to the fact that it was founded by a false prophetess Ellen G White who had numerous failed prophecies.
SDAs revere White’s visions as divinely inspired (SDA Belief #18), guiding doctrine like the Investigative Judgment and Sabbath.
Deuteronomy 18:22 demands true prophets’ predictions come true—White’s 1856, 1844, and 1845 failures (*Testimonies for the Church*, Vol. 1, p. 131-132; *A Word to the Little Flock*, p. 14) prove her false.
Her writings (*The Great Controversy*) lack prophetic Hebrew/Greek grounding, relying on 19th-century English, often plagiarized (*The White Lie* by Walter Rea)
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posted on
07/25/2025 2:57:31 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
As much as I dislike responding to you, I will.
Produce one verse supporting a 1844 judgment. I don't have to. It is irrelevant. One can believe that to be true or not and it should make NO difference to their salvation (which should be the MOST IMPORTANT thing to have.)
You hate Ellen White with a vengeance and feel compelled to post this article to stir up trouble. I don't wish to participate. As far as the other poster that this was a false prophesy, I say no it's not because the prophesy is in the Bible. The Bible is not in error. Now the first interpretation by the Millerites was in error. Shame on them. But humans make mistakes. Even Moses struck a rock he should have spoken to. There is no comparison between this error and the grievances that could be brought against the RCC.
I'll finish that you Cronos should repent and leave the denomination you worship. Turn to God. Read the Bible and quit straining at gnats but swallowing camels.
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:08:53 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(There's a bike in town that keeps running me over! It's a vicious cycle.)
To: Cronos
——>Adventism’s evils—false prophecies, heretical judgment, Sabbath idolatry, and anti-Catholic venom—mark it as satanic.
Sabbath idolatry....Bahahahahahahahahahaha!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Jesuits like to accuse the SDA church of all that, but Jesuits are born liars, every one of them, beginning with the very first that concocted Preterism and Futurism. Unfortunately for your church, it meets every biblical test of the Little Horn/Antichrist power, which would think to change times and laws of God, boast, etc... BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH. No mortal can change the law of God, forgive, or not forgive sins, and command Almighty God to honor that decision. Blasphemy of the highest order.
Exactly Which Pope
Changed The Sabbath To Sunday?
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/sylvester-I.htm
Archbishop of Reggio’s Sermon
to the Council of Trent on the Power of the Church:
By Our Authority The Sabbath Was Changed To Sunday!
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/bssb-1443-1444.htm
The Sabbath, the most glorious day in the law, has been changed into the Lord’s day...These and other similar matters have not ceased by virtue of Christ’s teaching (for He says He has come to fulfill the law, not to destroy it), but they have been changed by the authority of the church.
The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the church had changed circumcision into baptism, Sabbath into Sunday, not by the command of Christ, but by its own authority.
Therefore in conformity with the resolution, when the eighteenth day was come, a procession was made of the whole clergy of the city of the divines and prelates, who besides the cardinals were one hundred and twelve that wore the mitre, accompanied by their families and guarded by many of the country people armed, going from St. Peter’s Church to the Cathedral; where the Cardinal of Mantoua sang the Mass of the Holy Ghost and Gasparo dal Fosso, Archbishop of Reggio, made the sermon: His subject was the authority of the Church, the primacy of the Pope, and the power of Councils: he said that the Church had as much authority as the word of God and that the Church had changed the sabbath ordained by God into Sunday, taking away the Circumcision formerly commanded by the divine Majesty, and that the precepts are changed, not by the preaching of Christ, but by the authority of the Church. Turning himself unto the fathers, he exhorted them to labour constantly against the Protestants, being assured, that, as the Holy Ghost could not err, so neither could they be deceived.
“He said that the Church had as much authority as the word of God and that the Church had changed the sabbath ordained by God into Sunday, taking away the Circumcision formerly commanded by the divine Majesty, and that the precepts are changed, not by the preaching of Christ, but by the authority of the Church.”
Whence it must be concluded, little room as there was for such reasoning, not that the Church is equal to the Word of God, BUT THAT IT IS MUCH SUPERIOR.
THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!
THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!
THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!
To: BipolarBob
Evangelical Condemnation of the Investigative Judgment
- Walter Martin: In *The Truth About Seventh-day Adventism* (1960), Martin, a noted Evangelical apologist, critiques the Investigative Judgment, stating, “The doctrine of the Investigative Judgment… has no biblical foundation and represents a serious departure from the finished work of Christ on the cross.” He argues it undermines the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement (Hebrews 9:12).
- Anthony A. Hoekema: In *The Four Major Cults* (1963), this Reformed theologian asserts, “The Seventh-day Adventist teaching of an investigative judgment beginning in 1844 is a theological innovation without scriptural warrant, introducing a works-based probation that contradicts justification by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).”
- Norman F. Douty: In *Another Look at Seventh-day Adventism* (1962), Douty writes, “The Investigative Judgment is a face-saving device post-1844, lacking biblical support, and it dilutes the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 10:10), making salvation contingent on human merit.”
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:16:08 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:16:11 PM PDT
by
grumpa
To: Philsworld
Protestant Condemnation of the Investigative Judgment
- Walter Martin: In *The Truth About Seventh-day Adventism* (1960), Martin, a noted Evangelical apologist, critiques the Investigative Judgment, stating, “The doctrine of the Investigative Judgment… has no biblical foundation and represents a serious departure from the finished work of Christ on the cross.” He argues it undermines the sufficiency of Christ’s atonement (Hebrews 9:12).
- Anthony A. Hoekema: In *The Four Major Cults* (1963), this Reformed theologian asserts, “The Seventh-day Adventist teaching of an investigative judgment beginning in 1844 is a theological innovation without scriptural warrant, introducing a works-based probation that contradicts justification by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).”
- Norman F. Douty: In *Another Look at Seventh-day Adventism* (1962), Douty writes, “The Investigative Judgment is a face-saving device post-1844, lacking biblical support, and it dilutes the once-for-all sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 10:10), making salvation contingent on human merit.”
- Louis Talbot: A leading Evangelical pastor and educator, Talbot, in his 1950s writings and radio ministry (e.g., *The Bible Institute Hour*), criticized the Investigative Judgment, stating, “The Adventist teaching of a judgment beginning in 1844 is a human invention, unsupported by Scripture, which undermines the finished work of Christ on the cross.” He emphasized Hebrews 10:10 as evidence of a complete atonement.
- J.K. van Baalen: In *The Chaos of Cults* (1938), this Dutch Reformed theologian argued, “The Seventh-day Adventist Investigative Judgment is a theological construct without biblical basis, introducing a probationary phase that contradicts the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice (Hebrews 7:27).”
- Harold Lindsell: As editor of *Christianity Today*, Lindsell wrote in a 1961 article, “The Adventist notion of an 1844 investigative judgment is a departure from orthodox Christianity, adding a works-based review that dims the clarity of salvation by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9).”
- John Gerstner: A Presbyterian theologian, in *The Theology of the Major Sects* (1960), noted, “The Adventist Investigative Judgment, with its 1844 starting point, is an unbiblical addition that complicates the simple gospel of Christ’s once-for-all atonement (Hebrews 9:12).”
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:19:42 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Philsworld
Phil, your Adventist frenzy, shrieking about Pope Sylvester I and the Council of Trent changing the Sabbath to Sunday with links to https://www.biblelightinfo.com/sylvester-I.htm and https://www.biblelightinfo.com/bssb-1443-1444.htm, is a laughable rehash of Ellen G. White’s venom.
Detailed Refutation
- Pope Sylvester I Myth: Your link (sylvester-I.htm) claims Pope Sylvester I (314-335 AD) changed the Sabbath to Sunday. Baseless. No papal decree or historical record supports this—Sunday worship began with the apostles (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2), honoring Christ’s resurrection. Early Christians, like Ignatius (*Letter to the Magnesians*, c. 110 AD, Ch. 9), kept Sunday, predating Sylvester. Your source is Adventist fiction, not fact.
- Archbishop of Reggio’s Sermon at Trent: Your bssb-1443-1444.htm cites a sermon by Gasparo del Fosso at the Council of Trent (1545-1563), alleging the Church changed the Sabbath by its authority. Misleading. The sermon, reported by historian Caesar Baronius, reflects rhetorical flourish about Church authority (Matthew 16:18-19), not a decree. Trent addressed Protestant disputes, not Sabbath laws—the *Catechism of Trent* (1566) fulfills the Sabbath in Sunday (CCC 2174-2176). No official document supports a “change.”
- Authority Over Scripture: You twist the sermon’s “Church has as much authority as the word of God” into superiority, citing “precepts changed” (e.g., Sabbath to Sunday, circumcision to baptism). False. The Church, with Christ’s mandate (Matthew 18:18), adapts practices—Sunday fulfills the Sabbath (Colossians 2:16-17), and baptism replaces circumcision (Colossians 2:11-12)—under divine guidance, not human fiat. No verse ties this to Daniel 7:25.
- No Biblical Command for Sunday?: You claim Sunday lacks a biblical command. Wrong. Acts 20:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 show apostolic Sunday worship; Revelation 1:10 calls it the “Lord’s Day.” The Church regulates this (Matthew 18:18, CCC 2174-2176), not invents it. No verse mandates Saturday for Christians (Romans 14:5-6).
Adventism’s Satanic Evils
| Error | Details | Refutation |
|---|
| False Prophecies | White’s 1856, 1844, 1845 flops. | Deuteronomy 18:22 |
| Investigative Judgment | Denies atonement (*The Great Controversy*, p. 421-422). | Hebrews 9:12 |
Phil, your Investigative Judgment is condemned by Protestants like Talbot, van Baalen, Lindsell, and Gerstner as unbiblical, aligning with Scripture (Hebrews 9:12). Adventism’s evils—White’s lies, judgment heresy, and venom—mark it as satanic. Produce one verse for a 1844 judgment. You can’t. Repent, ditch White’s trash,
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:26:03 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: Cronos
Cronos,
This Protestant enjoys your defense of the Catholic Church and Catholic Doctrine.
“Carry On.”
Thanks.
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:27:34 PM PDT
by
unclebankster
(Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. )
To: unclebankster
Thanks. Well, quite frankly, Protestants also disagree with these and the other non Christian beliefs of Adventism (like their belief that Jesus is the angel Michael, or that Satan takes on the sins of the world)
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:39:02 PM PDT
by
Cronos
To: BipolarBob
Even Moses struck a rock he should have spoken to
/
/-)
Yup
Twice even.
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:39:43 PM PDT
by
cuz1961
To: Cronos
Fool me once, call me a Millerite.
Fool me twice, call me an Adventist.
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posted on
07/25/2025 3:43:58 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
(The Synodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
To: ebb tide
Thanks, that made me chuckle.
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posted on
07/25/2025 4:08:14 PM PDT
by
BipolarBob
(There's a bike in town that keeps running me over! It's a vicious cycle.)
To: Cronos
*Great* discussion, all y’all! I’m not *disappointed*. 😃
For what it’s worth, I consider neither the Seventh Day Adventists nor the Roman Catholics to be total heretics. 😜
(But seriously, both tribes have labored mightily to bring in the Kingdom of Christ and I am thankful for each. ❤️✝️)
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posted on
07/25/2025 4:18:46 PM PDT
by
Nervous Tick
(Hope, as a righteous product of properly aligned Faith, IS in fact a strategy.)
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