Posted on 07/19/2025 9:37:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
Many of the actions of the late Pope Francis, no matter their intention, caused division, confusion, and pain amongst Catholics, especially those most immersed in the traditional teachings and customs of the Catholic Church. One of the most glaring examples of this division, confusion, and pain came in the form of Traditionis custodes. In 2021, Pope Francis issued a motu proprio heavily restricting the celebration of the vetus ordo — the form of the Mass celebrated prior to the Second Vatican Council, often referred to as the Tridentine Mass, the Traditional Latin Mass, or the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
Catholics may simply never know why Pope Francis chose to so heavily and suddenly restrict the celebration of the Tridentine Mass.
At the time, Pope Francis cited division as a chief problem stemming from the celebration of the Tridentine Mass, accusing traditionalist Catholics of “exploit[ing]” Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, which liberalized the celebration of the Tridentine Mass, in order “to widen the gaps, reinforce the divergences, and encourage disagreements that injure the Church, block her path, and expose her to the peril of division.” Pope Francis alleged a “close connection between the choice of celebrations according to the liturgical books prior to Vatican Council II and the rejection of the Church and her institutions in the name of what is called the ‘true Church.’” In other words, the celebration of the Tridentine Mass was a catalyst for division, schism, and the rejection of the authority of the Catholic Church and Her Pontiff.
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I’ll take “Spiteful, Hateful Hacks” for $500, Alex
He was the Obama of popes. Elected to destroy, I mean fundamentally change, the church in to a communist front.
Bergoglio's actions were intentional to cause division, confusion, and pain amongst Catholics. It was his job as a heretic and minion of Satan.
Hopefully he is now in hell with his lord and master.
It’s good to get it from the horse’s mouth.
Fr. Vincent Ribeton, FSSP, one of 3 who met directly with Bergoglio, told me in Sacramento that the Pope didn’t care that much about it, it was Arthur Cardinal Roche who was emphatic about running the persecution.
Because he was a lowdown dirty dog.
I always just assumed it was done because the TLM is a colossal embarrassment to the whole modernist Catholic Church.
Anti pope Jorge, evil. Good riddance.
I don't have a dog in this hunt but reading the post I came away thinking that giving 'anyone' a pass on their bad decisions is a cop out. Sorry folks, you and you alone are responsible for the decisions you make. If you receive and apply bad advice, you are still responsible for YOUR decision.
Many exorcists have said that the Devil hates Latin. That’s the answer right there.
Because.....abortion. God permitted the punishment, suffering of the hiid for the evil enshrined in law and not fought against hard enough by His Church “faithful”.
Your soul as nourished even tho your ego thought it ridiculous
Not just no, but HELL NO! Hopefully he repented of all his sins, mortal and venial, whatever they were, and is now enjoying the Beatific Vision!
The twelve most dangerous words in the English language are: "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." We all would do well to remember that.
As per usual ebby, you get the right part wrong and the wrong part you emphasize.
Here is the important part: “Far from falling into stereotypes, many traditionalist Catholics have urged charity in response to news of the report, urging fellow Catholics not to vilify the late Pope Francis”
As for the incediary and profane - Prove It: Unfortunately, Montagna’s reporting also observes that Pope Francis himself saw this report — he impatiently snatched it from then-CDF prefect Cardinal Luis Ladaria shortly before issuing Traditionis custodes.
It's not so much about the Latin language itself, as it is about the whole form of the Mass. The Mass as it's said in most parishes today (i.e., the Novus Ordo Mass that was promulgated after Vatican II) is so different from the Mass as it was said before then, as to be almost something else entirely.
So much was stripped from the Mass. So many deep, meaningful prayers, were just done away with. The whole liturgical calendar was dumbed down. Ember days, the full season of Christmas—Did you know that the Christmas season actually ends on February 2, known as Candlemas?—Pre-Lent, the Octave of Pentecost, Rogation Days... all just stripped away and replaced with... nothing. So much spiritual depth, just... gone. So much liturgical heritage just forgotten. Thus, so much doctrine and so many truths of the faith were de-emphasized to the point of meaninglessness.
But perhaps most tragic of all... the new Mass completely changed the orientation from worship of God to the celebration of the community. So many "options" were introduced as to make it certain that if two people attend different Masses said by two different priests in the same parish, they will have two entirely different experiences. The priest and his personality and preferences are now the focus, rather than Jesus Christ.
Before I found the TLM, I was probably in the top 95% of Catholics who knew the faith, from a doctrinal and historical perspective. I'm not saying I practiced it well. I'm just saying I knew more about it than 95% of most modern Catholics. But when I found the TLM, I came to understand just how much I was missing, both doctrinally and spiritually. I had to pass through a period of real resentment that so much of my Catholic heritage had been stolen from me. I'm over that now. I see it more in light of the war the devil is waging against the Church. Even good people were simply duped. I would say most of those people who bought into this are good people who were simply duped by those who were trying to destroy the Church. We need to pray for them.
I said at the beginning that it's not so much about the Latin language itself. Yet, there is a very significant way in which it is very much about the Latin language itself, too. Latin has a precision about it that English and many other languages don't have. Partly because it's a "dead" language, and partly because of the language itself. This allows it to precisely define the truths of the Faith in a way that lasts through the centuries. It also symbolically expresses the universality of the Church... its "catholicity". And further, once you learn the responses (it's really not that hard, especially if you grow up with it), you can easily participate in the Mass no matter where in the world it is being said.
This is a Caucus Thread. If you are not Catholic, please go away. If not I will press the abuse button on you.
That's right, foister. The liar angrily snatched the report from Laidra's hands, because he did not want the report to made public, thus exposing him to be the lying dictator that he was.
You're reading comprehension is sorely lacking.
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