Posted on 07/15/2025 6:04:29 AM PDT by Red Badger
Welp, good luck getting through this one with dry eyes.
A mother took an incredible video of her son waking up in the hospital after a skateboard accident, and it's going viral for good reason.
In the video, which was later posted by a friend, he looks up and says he can see Jesus and his deceased father, who apparently died of cancer a few years ago. He talks to his dad and talks to Jesus, constantly remarking about how beautiful Jesus is.
"He has fire eyes..."
It recalls John's vision of Jesus from Revelation 19, where he describes his Jesus, saying, "His eyes were as a flame of fire."
He begins talking with his dad, saying how much he misses him, talking about how beautiful heaven is.
This video has to be seen to be believed.
VIDEO AT LINK.......................
The thing that really got me was how, when he saw Jesus, he suddenly became really convicted about his sins, confessing them and asking forgiveness.
And then there was the part where he asks his Dad: "Did you see me skateboarding?"
What are your thoughts?
Romans 8:38-39 (KJV)
“38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
I often wonder how the children Jesus raised from the dead and healed lived out their lives afterward. There was a reason the Gospels recorded their names, families, other information. Maybe this child, as have others who testified of heaven and seeing Jesus, will be used by God to touch the hearts of skeptics and unbelievers and to edify those who already do believe. Miracles happen all the time.
As you've refused to answer my twice posed question of why you feel you need to change Paul's actual words and clear meaning in this verse, I'm done arguing with you too.
God bless and see you in Heaven in my new glorified body...
Same to you, my friend.
My best friend of several years died in 2001, and as far as I knew she hadn’t accepted Christ as Savior. I worried about it a lot. Then I remembered that her daughter was a Christian so I spoke to her and asked. She said her mother had been saved a few weeks before she died.
That night I had a dream — I know it was “just a dream” — of her in Heaven. I was standing on the outside looking in at a group of people just being together, all peaceful and happy. I saw her in the group wearing the pink sweater that I always loved. She looked up and saw me, smiled and waved, and then went back to interacting with her group.
It is one of the few dreams I remember.
bookmarking to watch ....
We also have Paul writing:
Yes, thank you. That confirms what Paul actually says in 2 Corinthians 5:8 that it is better to be with Christ "out of the body", not that "to be out of the body is to be with Christ."
"We are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8)
God often spoke to people in their dreams. A few months after my husband died I had a dream where he was in a beautiful place and his smiling face was beaming and joyful. He said to me, “You don’t have to tell me anymore. I know now.” I had often answered his questions about the Bible and he was a believer. But now he was telling me that he knew the whole truth. I believe God comforted me through this and I long for the day we are reunited and can praise the Lord together for eternity.
She didn't, she simply made the recording.
In the video, which was later posted by a friend,
But I'm sure you knew that......
But with that being said, you're right. Nobody needs to hear of any kid or adult having a personal experience with Jesus or the after life......./s
I actually agree with Jim W N. Paul was saying that we're either here on earth alive in our human bodies, or we are with the Lord in heaven when we die. I don't think he would say something to give a false hope to the believers who were experiencing persecution and imminent death. He said, "I desire to depart and be with Christ.", because he was suffering persecution, too, and he knew when he died he would be with Jesus.
Is your reason for disagreeing with this because you believe a person goes to Purgatory before heaven? I don't believe in such a place. When a believer in Christ dies, he/she goes to be with Jesus immediately. Paul said he would rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord because that's what happens to Christ's own. If he didn't mean that, I think he would have said it differently.
I fail to see how Paul desiring to be in heaven rather than in the world is giving believers "false hope". To read anything else into this verse is eisegesis. To incompletely quote it to obscure that fact (because I have not been given any other motive here) is, to say the least, dishonest.
Is your reason for disagreeing with this because you believe a person goes to Purgatory before heaven?
My reason for disagreeing is because I don't like to see Scripture altered or distorted to say something it doesn't--and I see this verse misquoted a lot as kind of a catch-phrase. I'm sure you would agree with me on those points.
That it arguably does not rule out the belief in Purgatory is of secondary importance. I believe there are good biblical, patristic, and logical reasons to believe in it, but I don't expect a non-Catholic to believe in it (though some non-Catholic Christians--notably C.S. Lewis--accept the concept).
Regardless, my question remains unanswered: Why would anyone want to completely alter Paul's words here to make it a novel theological point completely different from the plain sense he intended? To me that is a little disturbing. Could it be that, taken in it's literal form, this verse leaves room for a place or state other than heaven or hell? There must be some reason.
So, now I'm being dishonest because you posted a snippet of my post? The "false hope" I mentioned would be the conclusion from how you are interpreting the passage, not me and not Jim WN. Paul ISN'T giving anyone false hope when he talks about being away/absent from his body (I.E., DEAD) and then present/at home with the Lord. It sure sounds to me like an either/or. I quoted the entire verse from Philippians:
But you were the one who "incompletely" quoted II Corinthians. You said:
My reason for disagreeing is because I don't like to see Scripture altered or distorted to say something it doesn't--and I see this verse misquoted a lot as kind of a catch-phrase. I'm sure you would agree with me on those points.
Then you do just that! Where did Paul say it was "better" in that passage? I don't see how else Paul's words could mean anything BUT when he's absent/away from/out of the body (other translations), he will be present/at home with the Lord. The whole first part of chapter 5 is all about the physical body. He called it "the earthly tent we live in" and longing to be clothed with our heavenly dwelling. Better yet, here's the full context:
I don't know about you but the older I get the more I groan in this human fleshly body and long for the glorified one likened unto Christ's God is preparing for me when mortality will put on immortality.
So, I don't at all think anyone is trying to alter Paul's words to make it a novel theological point completely different from the plain sense he intended. I see it is plainly stating that you're either alive in your human body or you're in the presence of Christ when you die and I can't think of anyone who wouldn't prefer that. He said in Philippians, For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. I think we can all agree with that, right?
Chill out Sparky, I didn't say you were dishonest, I said whoever would mangle this text to create a theological point would be dishonest. It wasn't you who posted it, but if you yourself are in the habit of misquoting the Scriptures, then I guess it could apply to you.
The fact remains that this is a misquote from Paul which changes the point of what he was trying to convey. If not, why misquote it (I'm starting to feel like a broken record repeating this over and over) and why defend misquoting Scripture? Everything besides that is irrelevant to the original point.
But you were the one who "incompletely" quoted II Corinthians
I paraphrased it because I've already quoted it in full twice in previous posts in this thread. I get tired of repeating my self and assume people involved in the discussion would be keeping up.
Then you do just that! Where did Paul say it was "better" in that passage?
He says "better" in both the 2 Corinthians passage and the one you provided from Philippians.
So, I don't at all think anyone is trying to alter Paul's words to make it a novel theological point completely different from the plain sense he intended
That's about the only conclusion I can come to based on what I'm hearing because, AGAIN, nobody can tell me anyone would want to mangle Paul's words and present them as Scripture.
I see it is plainly stating that you're either alive in your human body or you're in the presence of Christ when you die
The entire text in context clearly does not say that and it takes the misquoting of the text and a great deal of eisegesis to come to that conclusion.
Ah...the ancient bible text as evidence to support a current event argument. How nice. Well, while you’re at it, how about you explore why it is that God saved 603,550 Israelites from Pharaoh and sustained them for 40 years but then over the course of just 6 years God allowed the Nazis to brutally murder 6.1 Million of the same people during the holocaust. Where was God and all of his neat tricks then?
That could be, but... that doesn’t explain the content of the vision.
If this happened to you,what would you have to dream?
Okay, sparky, show me where Paul says "better" in the 2 Corinthians passage. In your repeated diatribes about others mangling and misquoting Scripture to somehow prove a theological point, you are guilty of exactly that. Who is being dishonest here? Could this possibly be a matter of a different interpretation and not malice?
>>I see it is plainly stating that you're either alive in your human body or you're in the presence of Christ when you die<<
The entire text in context clearly does not say that and it takes the misquoting of the text and a great deal of eisegesis to come to that conclusion.
This is getting ridiculous! What else COULD Paul mean when he talks about when his body dies he will be with Christ? You (your spirit) is either in your physically alive body and absent from the presence of Christ or you (your spirit) is absent from your physically dead body and present at home with Christ. Paul meant this to be encouraging. Seriously, how else would you interpret the passage? Are advocating for "soul sleep" or something?
You can keep on arguing but, like Jim WN, I'm not interested in continuing with you on this topic and you sound like you're tired of it as well. We can agree to disagree.
I'll give you the standard answer and you can either accept it or go on thinking you'd be better at "god-ing" than God.
We live in a world of pain and suffering. There is no one who is not affected by the harsh realities of life, and the question “why do bad things happen to good people?” is one of the most difficult questions in all of theology. God is sovereign, so all that happens must have at least been allowed by Him, if not directly caused by Him. At the outset, we must acknowledge that human beings, who are not eternal, infinite, or omniscient, cannot expect to fully understand God’s purposes and ways.
The book of Job deals with the issue of why God allows bad things to happen to good people. Job was a righteous man (Job 1:1), yet he suffered in ways that are almost beyond belief. God allowed Satan to do everything he wanted to Job except kill him, and Satan did his worst. What was Job’s reaction? “Though he slay me, yet will I hope in him” (Job 13:15). “The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised” (Job 1:21). Job did not understand why God had allowed the things He did, but he knew God was good and therefore continued to trust in Him. Ultimately, that should be our reaction as well.
Why do bad things happen to good people? As hard as it is to acknowledge, we must remember that there are no “good” people, in the absolute sense of the word. All of us are tainted by and infected with sin (Ecclesiastes 7:20; Romans 3:23; 1 John 1:8). As Jesus said, “No one is good—except God alone” (Luke 18:19). All of us feel the effects of sin in one way or another. Sometimes it’s our own personal sin; other times, it’s the sins of others. We live in a fallen world, and we experience the effects of the fall. One of those effects is injustice and seemingly senseless suffering.
When wondering why God would allow bad things to happen to good people, it’s also good to consider these four things about the bad things that happen:
2) Bad things happen to good people, but God uses those bad things for an ultimate, lasting good. “We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose” (Romans 8:28). When Joseph, innocent of wrongdoing, finally came through his horrific sufferings, he was able to see God’s good plan in it all (see Genesis 50:19–21).
3) Bad things happen to good people, but those bad things equip believers for deeper ministry. “Praise be to . . . the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:3–5). Those with battle scars can better help those going through battles.
4) Bad things happen to good people, and the worst things happened to the best Person. Jesus was the only truly Righteous One, yet He suffered more than we can imagine. We follow in His footsteps: “If you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. ‘He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.’ When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly” (1 Peter 2:20–23). Jesus is no stranger to our pain.
Romans 5:8 declares, “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Despite the sinful nature of the people of this world, God still loves us. Jesus loved us enough to die to take the penalty for our sins (Romans 6:23). If we receive Jesus Christ as Savior (John 3:16; Romans 10:9), we will be forgiven and promised an eternal home in heaven (Romans 8:1).
God allows things to happen for a reason. Whether or not we understand His reasons, we must remember that God is good, just, loving, and merciful (Psalm 135:3). Often, bad things happen to us that we simply cannot understand. Instead of doubting God’s goodness, our reaction should be to trust Him. “Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He will make your paths straight” (Proverbs 3:5–6). We walk by faith, not by sight. (https://www.gotquestions.org/bad-things-good-people.html)
Not wishing to argue the point, I conclude my part by clarifying my point by saying that fidelis’ logic is flawed claiming that a statement in scripture (”to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord”) cannot be doctrine if coupled with a statement of preference (”willing rather”) for that result (2 Cor. 5:8).
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