Posted on 06/09/2025 7:03:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
N.B. The novus Ordo is a botched product. And a failed experiment. Sure, many people attend but there are always many people who just do what everyone else is doing for a variety of reasons. Some get paid to go, parish staffs and employees for example, some go because they are getting something like Catholic grade school or high school or sacraments like Confirmation. Some think that’s all there is. (Won’t they be surprised. And many constantly are when they finally discover what it replaced.)
And some actually like it. De gustibus non disputandum. People like Broadway musicals, too.
Lay people on average never were experts about matters liturgical and even more today know even less about it. Some don’t care what the priest is doing. They think of the Mass as a Communion service. They will go anyway for the right result.
People also like other forms of participatory entertainment where participation is measured solely by the criteria of loud noises and big gestures, but that’s a perversion of liturgy. Although that group is dying off. The younger crowd that likes it has a variety of issues such as rejection of modest dress and immature or feminist rebellion against being told what to do. Or the other families that attend offer some social networking that goes along with school experience.
Many give the win to TC because they like the TLM but will not drive farther than their geographical parish for it. These will “come out of the woodwork” in droves once their parish priest who offers the TLM on his every day off and at every other opportunity starts doing so again in the church on Sunday. These are the young families who generously have more than a minimum of children and home school.
The novus ordo has never been accepted by everyone in the church. Many priests paid daily to offer the new Mass would drop it like a lead weight tomorrow if they got “permission” (sic) to offer the Mass of the Ages under a new version of Summorum Pontificum. Many now offer that Mass privately and will continue to do so as long as they need to.
This is not our first rodeo. Our Lord started out in a barn. The Mass has been offered on rocks in the open, in hedgerows, in caves, in basements, in living rooms. Pilgrims visit Rome for the privilege of visiting the catacombs. And celebrating Mass in them. Nothing new there.
Viva Cristo Re!
“Organizer: No Priest Wants Novus Ordo at Chartres Pilgrimage”
Ping
I understand that many feel a comfort at the Latin Mass. As an altar boy my responses rang throughout the church.I can still recite the Confiteor and think the words in English as I do. But my memories of Mass back then is of women holding tightly to their Rosaries as they said their Hai Mary’s because they had not the slightest understanding of what they were experiencing. Only The Gospel was read in the vernacular meaning the Act, Epistles and Old Testament sounded loudly but as mere noise not the Word of God. If the Latin Mass brings comfort then by all means let it be returned to acceptance but not at the expense of the vernacular.
Fr Cusick, God bless him, probably would shut down the Novus Ordo tomorrow if he could, but I wouldn’t. I’m a TLM-er but I realize that Humpty Dumpty was broken by Bugnini et al in 1969... and he can’t be reassembled in a day or a month or a year. The Novus Ordo is all that many Catholics have ever known... and there are priests and laity who are happy with it. My solution: make *both* forms widely available, and let people decide for themselves... and give it 50-100 years and the issue will work itself out. That was the Ratzinger solution, and it worked... but it worked too well for the TLM side, as the old mass was growing and certain powerful people didn’t like that.
I much prefer Superfun Rock Band Mass, don't you?
What an insipid straw man.
The Latin Mass was all the EVERY Latin Catholic had ever known ... until the novus ordo and the lunatic "spirit of vatican ii" were mercilessly inflicted upon us.
I much prefer Superfun Rock Band Mass, don’t you?
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We had Polka Masses in the 1970’s
My dad had the record: Polka with the Padre.
We could always have a correctly translated vernacular Tridentine Mass. it’s more about the rite than the language.
I understand all that, and aside from funerals etc, I attend the TLM exclusively. But it wouldn’t be prudent to impose the TLM on everyone all of sudden like tomorrow, just as it was imprudent to impose the Novus Ordo the way it was imposed. It would confuse and anger people for no good reason. Offer both and let people choose their Mass and it’ll work itself out over time
If my old home Church down in Alabama can have a couple masses in English, a Spanish mass, and a Vietnamese Mass every weekend, where exactly is the harm in also offering a Latin mass? I get no good answer from anyone on this.
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Pater noster semper!
Why don't you ask yourself why you continue to violate Catholic caucuses?
I don’t remember which denomonation of Lutheran Church it os but the Catholic Church and a branch of the Lutheran agreed to have the same readings at Sunday Mass and Sunday Service.
I fully understand how Catholics feel to have their Mass taken from them. I feel sorrow with you.
Thank you for that information.
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