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“It is better to be Herod’s hog than his heir.” ~ Did Herod's Massacre of the Innocents actually happen?
Gloria Romanorum ^ | December 28, 2024 | Florentius

Posted on 12/28/2024 8:24:15 AM PST by Antoninus

Three days after the feast of the Nativity of Jesus, the Catholic Church traditionally commemorates the massacre of the Holy Innocents – the children of Bethlehem slain by King Herod following the birth of Christ.

This event is recorded in the Gospel of Saint Matthew in connection with the arrival of the Magi – the Wise Men from the East – who had followed a star to Jerusalem, and had sought out the newborn king of the Jews. According to Matthew’s account, King Herod requested that the Magi return to him after finding the child, ostensibly so that Herod could join in worshipping the newborn King.

But the Magi were suspicious of Herod’s true motives. Matthew’s Gospel gives the account of what happened next:

“And having received an answer in sleep that they should not return to Herod, they went back another way into their country…. Then Herod perceiving that he was deluded by the wise men, was exceeding angry; and sending killed all the men children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the borders thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremias the prophet, saying: ‘A voice in Rama was heard, lamentation and great mourning; Rachel bewailing her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.’” [Matthew 2:12, 16-18]

Matthew is alone among the evangelists in recording this event. There is also no non-Christian Roman, Greek, or Jewish historian who reports on it directly. As a result, the massacre has fallen under the skepticism of the modern era which views all early Christian sources as highly suspect. Indeed, there exists a tendency in some circles to consider any events recorded in Christian sources which are not corroborated by contemporary non-Christian sources as little more than hagiographic fantasies, interpolations or outright fabrications. Meanwhile non-Christian sources are not treated with anything like that kind of rigor.

As readers to this blog know, I tend to give early Christian writers the benefit of the doubt, and will even give late antique and early medieval writers latitude when they are discussing earlier events, as many of them are relating information from more ancient sources that were subsequently lost.

In the case of Herod's massacre of the children of Bethlehem, I see no reason why Matthew’s account shouldn’t be taken at face value. It is cited by Christian authors as early as Saint Justin Martyr, who mentions Matthew’s account in the mid-second century AD in his Dialogue with Trypho (Chapter 78). It’s worth noting that Trypho was a Jew and Justin was a convert to Christianity from paganism. While Trypho disputes much of what Justin says, it is not recorded that he disputed the historicity of Justin’s mention of Herod’s slaughter of the innocents.

A similar case may be found in Origen’s work, Against Celsus. Celsus was a pagan philosopher who wrote an anti-Christian polemic in the mid-to-late 2nd century AD entitled The True Word. Most of what we know about this work is contained in Origen’s response which was written in the mid-3rd century, and in which he quotes freely from The True Word. As a rhetorical device, Celsus puts some of his arguments into the mouth of a fictional Jew, and it seems fairly clear that Celsus had learned a considerable amount about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity from Jewish associates. Even so, Celsus retained a Hellenistic antipathy toward the Jews as he frequently held their practices up to scorn. We find a passage in Against Celsus, which discusses the massacre of the innocents, saying specifically that Celsus's fictional Jew did not believe that Herod had conspired against the infant Christ, nor that an angel had warned Joseph in a dream to flee into Egypt. (Against Celsus, Book 1: Chapter 61). Later in that same paragraph, however, Celsus assumes that this event did occur. He has his Jewish mouthpiece say to Jesus:

“But if [the massacre of the innocents] was done in order that you might not reign in [Herod's] stead when you had grown to man's estate, why, after you did reach that estate, do you not become a king?”

Of course, part of the reason Celsus must doubt that the massacre of the innocents took place is because he has his own thoroughly blasphemous alternate version of the infancy of Christ, the details of which “are frequently identical with those of the Talmud.” (Celsus ~ Jewish Encyclopedia, 1906)

Finally, we have perhaps the most interesting and obscure of all the ancient references to the massacre of the innocents. It is provided by the pagan writer Macrobius in the early 400s AD. This late Roman author penned a book of various anecdotes compiled on the occasion of the Saturnalia. In one passage, Macrobius provides a litany of jokes and clever sayings, including the following: “On being informed that among the boys under two years of age whom Herod had ordered to be slain in Syria, Herod’s own son had also been slain, Augustus said: “It is better to be Herod’s hog than his son.” This quip probably raises more questions than it answers. At the very least, Macrobius seems to have his facts scrambled given that Herod's son, Antipater, was an adult when he was put to death around the time of Christ's birth. What the quote does reveal is that even a late antique pagan like Macrobius was aware of the massacre of the innocents, an event that was most likely an accepted part of conventional knowledge among the Roman educated classes.

A point often mentioned to nullify the massacre is that the event is nowhere mentioned by the great Jewish historian of the 1st century AD, Flavius Josephus. As useful as he is in recording in detail the reign of Herod, it can not be expected that Josephus provides every detail. It has been pointed out by more than one scholar that Bethlehem was a small town with a likely population of less than 2,000 at the time of Christ's birth. The number of boys under age two was probably fairly small—perhaps 40-50 at the most. Considering the scale of some of the atrocities committed by Herod that Josephus does record, is it surprising that the butchery of 40-50 infants might pass unnoticed? A list of Herod's enormities may be found in the excellent article by Richard T. France, "Herod and the Children of Bethlehem," Novum Testamentem, Vol. 21, Fasc. 2 (Apr., 1979), pp. 98-120

I tend to agree with the conclusion offered by Dr. France in the above mentioned article:

"The historical evidence, such as it is, suggests that the incident is not in itself improbable, but very much in keeping with what we know of Herod's reign. Among the more striking atrocities of that period, it was a relatively minor incident, which has understandably not left any clearly independent mark in the very selective records of Herod's reign."

Rather than being so quick to dismiss scriptural narratives as fabrications, we should at least apply to them the same credibility thresholds that we apply to other ancient sources.


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December 28. Feast of the Holy Innocents.
1 posted on 12/28/2024 8:24:15 AM PST by Antoninus
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To: Antoninus

I’ve a pastor in which we do ministry outreach together and he states there were only 14-15 children killed in that area. I’ve been told it’s way more and far reaching.
Never studied and before I do, what say you biblical FReepers?


2 posted on 12/28/2024 8:27:29 AM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Antoninus

So,Mary creates a false reason for why they fled to Egypt and passed it on to Matthew? Why?


3 posted on 12/28/2024 8:30:36 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Antoninus

People who treat Holy Scripture as fiction do so to their own everlasting peril.


4 posted on 12/28/2024 8:32:48 AM PST by rod5591
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To: Antoninus
As readers to this blog know, I tend to give early Christian writers the benefit of the doubt,

The Gospel writers were promoting their faith - but most certainly, they are also "historians." Their goal was to lay out the actual events surrounding the life of Christ. We accept that pagan writers of the day were giving a factual account of events, why do we not accept that Christians writers were doing the same?

Moreover, so much evidence from history of the time can be proven elsewhere - the reign of Herod, the rule of Pilate, the graves of people mentioned in the New Testament being found, even astronomical events mentioned in the Bible and New Testament can calculated to be true. Why doubt this one event?

5 posted on 12/28/2024 8:34:49 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Antoninus

“Did God actually say ...”

Let that be a warning.


6 posted on 12/28/2024 8:35:43 AM PST by Jemian ( Buy American. Employ Americans)
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To: Karliner

Medieval traditions in various churches give numbers anywhere from 10,000 to 144,000. As far as I know, those numbers are based on theological extrapolation from prophecy or supposed divine revelation. Given the population of Jerusalem itself at the time was probably 100,000 or less, such numbers don’t make much sense at all.


7 posted on 12/28/2024 8:37:30 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Karliner
I’ve a pastor in which we do ministry outreach together and he states there were only 14-15 children killed in that area.

skeptics need to provide evidence too - even more so, as our existing evidence is 2000 years old and has been accepted as truth for as long a period. What evidence does he have to overturn it, especially with such a precise figure of 14-15?

8 posted on 12/28/2024 8:38:32 AM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88
why do we not accept that Christians writers were doing the same?

Well, I do. Academics who have an animus toward Christianity do not.
9 posted on 12/28/2024 8:38:46 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: Karliner; All

Such massacres were not out of character for the time. Conquered people had few if any rights in law. These were not Roman citizens.

The Romans, and most pagans, did not value children as children are valued today.


10 posted on 12/28/2024 8:40:27 AM PST by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: Antoninus

Herod massacred the descendants of the Maccabean dynasty, as well as any descendants of David, who posed a threat to his own dynasty.


11 posted on 12/28/2024 8:40:46 AM PST by philippa
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To: Karliner

I say ignore it it is irrelevant and unknowable.

Scripture itself says we should not go beyond “what is written.”

There is plenty to focus on that we do know: “Christ Jesus and Him crucified.”

How few Christians even know the profound truths Paul gave us in the first half of his major epistles? Roman 1-8, Eph. 1-3, Col. 1-2, Phil. 1-2........all about WHO Jesus Christ is, man’s condition, and Jesus finished work.........


12 posted on 12/28/2024 8:43:25 AM PST by Arlis
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To: PGR88

There were many more than that. As with Joseph and Mary, many families stayed in Bethlehem after the census. Otherwise there would have been no reason for the decree. There were 100s of babies.


13 posted on 12/28/2024 8:52:20 AM PST by madison10
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To: Antoninus

The Massacre took place in “the Little Town of Bethlehem”, and was confined to Male Children, two years old and under. So it may have been “small” by our definition of a “Massacre”.

Nevertheless, it was devastating to the people of the community.

Much like a School Mass Shooting is a total disaster, even if the death toll is under twenty people, those who live in the community will NEVER FORGET, but it probably won’t make the History Books.

9/11/01 was only 23 years ago, and over 3000 Innocent Americans were killed. But the way politicians act these days, one wonders how soon it will be forgotten. Just the way Rudy Giuliani has been treated by the Left is a perfect example.

Just because it is only recalled by Matthew is irrelevant. Only John records Jesus washing His Disciples’ feet, but nobody questions that.

To this day, there is a cave in Bethleham that had the bones of a number of young children and babies, believed to be related to the Slaughter of the Innocents. The people have believed that from way back, and St. Jerome used that very cave to be his place of solitude and inspiration to translate the whole Bible into Latin, the common language of the People. (The Vulgate).

I’ve been there, and there’s no doubt in my mind about the place.

If it’s good enough for Matthew and St. Jerome, it’s good enough for me.

Merry Christmas, and a Happy Healthy New Year.


14 posted on 12/28/2024 8:55:17 AM PST by left that other site (Ask Not What The Left is Doing. Ask What They Are Accusing YOU of Doing.)
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To: PGR88; Karliner
I’ve a pastor in which we do ministry outreach together and he states there were only 14-15 children killed in that area.
What evidence does he have to overturn it, especially with such a precise figure of 14-15?

The 14-or-so theory is based on the presumption that the massacre occurred only in Bethlehem, which was a one-camel town at the time, maybe 500 or so in total, so there would only be a small number of male infants/toddlers in the village. That doesn't make it an un-massacre, of course.

15 posted on 12/28/2024 8:57:06 AM PST by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Antoninus

I am not sure why they would be skeptical that Herod murdered children. Herod supposedly killed many in his own family including his wife.

So Matthew’s account of the murdering of children seems believable. Herod was likely cruel like many rulers back then. That’s how it was. Historians did not record every localized slaughter.


16 posted on 12/28/2024 8:59:07 AM PST by plain talk
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To: Antoninus

We’ve overseen the legalized killing of about 100,000,000 in the western world since roe v wade and the equivalent in other countries.

Anyone who says Herod or anyone wouldn’t go around killing innocents is an ignoramus I don’t care how many letters come after his name.


17 posted on 12/28/2024 9:03:16 AM PST by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: madison10
Otherwise there would have been no reason for the decree. There were 100s of babies.

There are simply too many unknowables. We don't know the population of Bethlehem at the time. We don't know how many more came at the time of the census. We don't know if Herod's order applied just to Bethlehem or to the surrounding regions as well. We don't know how long after the Nativity of Christ Herod's order went out.

A massacre could be five people or less (the Boston massacre), twenty thousand people (Katyn massacre), or more. The point is that powerful men are capable of great evil, even to the point of attempting to defy the Will of God, but that God will always have the last word.
18 posted on 12/28/2024 9:16:56 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: plain talk
So Matthew’s account of the murdering of children seems believable.

Agree. Matthew's account is perfectly in keeping with Herod's temperament. The only reason the event is doubted is because there's a certain class of anti-Christian scholars who doubt everything associated with Christianity.
19 posted on 12/28/2024 9:30:46 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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To: ebb tide

Catholic ping.


20 posted on 12/28/2024 9:31:13 AM PST by Antoninus (Republicans are all honorable men.)
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