Posted on 07/08/2024 7:50:00 AM PDT by Morgana
The real point is whether the destruction of human life from an abortion pill is any different than the murder of a born person. Since science now unequivocally tells us that at conception it is a human being, that should be the starting point for any discussion of this question, not as just another factor.
God gave man free will.
The freedom to make mistakes, to move away from God.
That freedom still exists. Abortion is a move away from God, a choice of dubious morality in every case.
However no one should be making that choice for everyone else from the moment of conception.
Live your own conscience. Strive to waken that awareness in others. Laws are compromises and they set the boundaries. Work to change the laws in your state not to impose your values by fiat.
Sounds like calling it murder is not viable in this world. to whom does the crime fall upon if stated so? Legal positions are a moral position. The lack of applying morality in our own lives translates to a lack of applying it any circumstance.
2/3 of abortions are through the use of the drug to perform at home - we don’t bother to address the ethical issues on the dangers using the drug that harm the mothers, much less it attempts to kill the child. This is why abortions have increased since Roe V Wade review two years ago. Killers want to kill. Unfortunately, they are convincing the emotionally/morally/ehtically/spiritually confused that its OK.
To me it is murder.
Calling it something else does not change the fact that you destroy a life, a potential baby.
After that it gets more difficult to parse. I think there is some room for a personal decision before there is pain, sentience and the ability of the life to survive outside the mother.
It would never be my decision even in difficult circumstances or with the knowledge of disability. However there is freedom of conscience to act within the legal framework.
It is up to our society to strengthen families, provide options and cherish, nurture life. Sex outside of marriage is ubiquitous and leads to abortions. We will never eradicate sex outside of marriage but family friendly policies and a return to conventional morality and individual morality can decrease the extent. The chorus of voices glorifying abortion sings the song of Satan.
Does the same hold true for those who choose to engage in pedophilia, in mutating the genitals of their children, for those who choose polygamy, for those who choose to abuse and torture animals, for those who choose to engage in incest ....
License is not liberty. Prohibition, restraint and allowance in law(s) reflect a society's moral beliefs. Because we have states that legalize abortion does not make abortion right.
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individual responsibility (not individual morality)
Who said it was right? I bluntly said it was wrong, that it moved the person away from God.
Pedophilia is also wrong & illegal as are all your other examples. You have made no point except that there are many wrong and damaging behaviors. Society has drawn lines. I think it’s wrong to lie, to gaslight and to take advantage of people. I don’t fool myself that my beliefs will control other’s behavior.
People who think that calling out a behavior is enough to eliminate it are like liberals; they think they are, and should be emperor of the world.
In this case, however, it is an innocent baby that is given no choice whether to live, or to die a brutal death inside their mother's womb. In addition, many fathers of these murdered children have no say in the matter as well. Even the mother, if she is being kept ignorant of the facts, is being kept from making a free choice.
Live your own conscience. Strive to waken that awareness in others. Laws are compromises and they set the boundaries. Work to change the laws in your state not to impose your values by fiat.
ALL laws are the imposition of values on those who must obey them. Even working "to change laws in your state" is an exercise of this.
The point I was trying to make is that laws do not accommodate everyone's beliefs. Laws do make choices for 'everyone else'.
Abortion is legal in most states. I wish it were illegal everywhere with few exceptions. I would rather my beliefs dictate the law rather than those of extreme pro-abortionists. Yes, I would prefer my beliefs concerning abortion be applied to everyone including those who disagree.
We agree. Laws are the rules society sets and there are consequences for breaking them.
We fight to change the rules we disagree with and had marked success...finally.. with Roe V Wade.
I hope we have further successes pushing back the limits on abortion across America.
I hope for similar success outlawing transgender interventions on individuals under age 21. That dam seems to be breaking. The medical profession should outlaw the practice at any age since the results of that therapy include no benefits, greater suicide, health risks and failure of desired function. However the medical profession is run by leftists and infected with deviants who have an agenda.
Let's continue to fight the good fight - and pray!
Yes laws do make a choice for everybody. That is the nature of living in a society. In America we have more individual freedoms than in most countries. You have a choice when picking a country, a state, a community. Once you pick it you abide by the laws or face consequence. That is not even remotely the same as an individual’s morality controlling the morality of others.
We may differ. I do not believe my morality should be applied to everyone, nor do I wish it could be. I believe in God’s plan with free choice and the ability to sin, to repent, and to be forgiven.
Agreed!
I think the “kite” is Vance. Because, as far as I’m concerned now...Vance has floated off into the ether.
Enacted laws (as opposed to nebulous "executive orders") are not a result of "one person's morality"--that would be dictatorship; they are largely a result of a body of individuals who share common interest who make their case that such and such a law should be enacted and enforced as a community value, either through their representatives by legislation or through a popular vote. As citizens we have the right to join forces with like-minded individuals to enact, change, or abolish laws for the common good.
Agreed.
exactly right
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