Posted on 06/04/2024 1:14:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
Pope Francis reportedly told a man who was dismissed from a seminary for being a practicing homosexual to “go forward with your vocation.”
According to the Italian newspaper Il Messaggero, 22-year-old Lorenzo Michele Noè Caruso received a letter from Francis in response to an email that Caruso sent the pontiff about the pope’s reported use of the vulgar phrase “frociaggine” (“f–ggotry”) in reference to homosexuals in seminaries.
READ: Vatican issues statement apologizing for Pope Francis using ‘homophobic’ term
“Thank you so much for your email,” Pope Francis wrote in a handwritten letter that was scanned and attached to the email, as Il Messagero reports. “I was struck by an expression of yours: ‘Toxic and elective clericalism’: and it is true! Do you know that clericalism is a plague?”
“Jesus calls everyone, everyone,” the letter continued. “Some people think of the Church as a customs office, and that is bad. The Church must be open to everyone. Brother, go ahead with your vocation.”
In his alleged response, Francis affirmed the homosexual man in his attempt to receive Holy Orders in explicit violation of Catholic teaching while also failing to call him to repentance and chastity.
The Catholic Church infallibly teaches that all homosexual activity is gravely sinful.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church (2357) teaches that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered” and “contrary to the natural law.” The Catechism is very clear that homosexual activity can never be approved and repeats that “(h)omosexual persons are called to chastity,” adding that the homosexual inclination is “objectively disordered.”
The Church also prohibits men with homosexual tendencies from being admitted to seminary or Holy Orders, as a 2005 instruction from the Congregation for Catholic Education approved by Pope Benedict XVI declares. The Vatican reaffirmed this ban in 2016.
Caruso told Il Messaggero that Francis’ “beautiful reply… makes it clear who the real Pope is, he is not what they made him out to be.”
“This letter gives me hope, now the seminary remains a dream not shelved,” he added.
The young man said that he was dismissed from the seminary when his “sexuality” was discovered.
According to Caruso, the letter he received from Francis has “heartened” him and other so-called “gay Catholics.”
In his letter to Francis, Caruso expressed his confidence that the ongoing Synod would reverse Catholic doctrine, “be a turning point,” and ensure that “all expressions [are seen as] God’s plan for our Church.”
He asked for a revision of the Church’s prohibition on men with homosexual tendencies from the seminaries because “many young people feel lost in a Church that often seems to have become tied to a toxic and elective clericalism, where only some deserve to be welcomed and where others are excluded as false Christians,” as if renunciation from grave sin is not necessary to be Christian.
According to Il Messagero, Innocenzo Pontolillo, president of the notorious Italian pro-LGBT group “La Tenda di Gionata,” said that Francis’s letter was “welcoming, inclusive,” and “really beautiful.”
This instance is not the first time that reports of Pope Francis privately affirming pro-LGBT groups or individuals in their sinful practices and ideologies have come out. The openly homosexual priest Fr. James Alison said that the pontiff affirmed his homosexuality in a private phone call in 2017. In 2023, the pope reportedly told heretical LGBT activist groups, including New Ways Ministry, to “go forward” with their activities during a private meeting at the Vatican.
The pope also has an extensive record of promoting dissident, pro-LGBT clerics like Cardinal Robert McElroy of San Diego and LGBT activist priests like Fr. James Martin, SJ. Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, SJ, of Luxembourg, whom Francis appointed the relator general of his Synod on Synodality, has said that he believes Church teaching on the sinfulness of homosexual acts is “false.”
In December, Francis approved the heterodox document Fiducia Supplicans authored by Cardinal Victor Fernández, head of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith. Because it endorses the “blessing” of homosexual “couples,” it drew condemnations from bishops around the world, including Cardinal Gerhard Müller, Cardinal Robert Sarah, and the majority of the African bishops.
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vocation /vō-kā′shən/
noun
A regular occupation, especially one for which a person is particularly suited or qualified.
An inclination or aptness for a certain kind of work.
“a vocation for medicine.”
A calling of an individual by God, especially for a religious career.
Someone needs to tell Comrade Frank - sex with young boys is not a vocation. Its a psychosis.
This is too much. He is working for the other side.
I’m withholding judgement until more is known and/or further context is provided.
This isn't enough context for you:
“Some people think of the Church as a customs office, and that is bad. The Church must be open to everyone. Brother, go ahead with your vocation.”
Vocations arn’t only to priesthood. Their is the common Christian vocation to follow Jesus, was the context to return to formation?
Does this answer your question:
“This letter gives me hope, now the seminary remains a dream not shelved,” he (the dismissed seminarian) added.
Normally I would agree, but it’s consistent with his gaslighting habit. And he also just wrote the preface (or introduction?) to Fr. James Martin, Eth J’s most recent book. He’s a gaslighter of the first degree. At this point I think the burden of proof is on him to prove his innocence.
Again, Pope says one thing. Dismissed seminarian hears what he wants to hear. Perhaps the seminarian’s take on it does answer the question.
In reality, I would agree with you this quote will likely be used in some official capacity returning the seminarian to formation. Context could change that likelihood but as we’ve seen before there is likely to be a big loophole created here which could be exploited.
More or less agree. If his latest is what it seems to be, I think it’s time he has a cup of Pope John Paul I Tea at bedtime.
Lord, forgive me.
I’m not gonna go there. Let’s pray for a St. Paul experience for him.
I miss John Paul II
St. Pope John Paul II, early in his Papacy, speaking about the 3rd secret of Fatima
In a 1980 interview for the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens published in October 1981, John Paul II was asked explicitly to speak about the third secret. He said:
"Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the worldwide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication. On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this much: if there is a message in which it is said that the oceans will flood entire sections of the earth; that, from one moment to the other, millions of people will perish... there is no longer any point in really wanting to publish this secret message. Many want to know merely out of curiosity, or because of their taste for sensationalism, but they forget that 'to know' implies for them a responsibility. It is dangerous to want to satisfy one's curiosity only, if one is convinced that we can do nothing against a catastrophe that has been predicted." He held up his rosary and stated "Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray and ask for nothing else. Put everything in the hands of the Mother of God." Asked what would happen in the Church, he said: "We must be prepared to undergo great trials in the not-too-distant future; trials that will require us to be ready to give up even our lives, and a total gift of self to Christ and for Christ. Through your prayers and mine, it is possible to alleviate this tribulation, but it is no longer possible to avert it, because it is only in this way that the Church can be effectively renewed. How many times, indeed, has the renewal of the Church been effected in blood? This time, again, it will not be otherwise. We must be strong, ... we must entrust ourselves to Christ and to His holy Mother, and we must be attentive, very attentive, to the prayer of the Rosary."
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