Posted on 03/25/2024 5:40:52 PM PDT by grumpa
If I understand dispensationalism, largely because of the influence of Darby and Scofield, dispensationalists don’t really believe that Jesus is reigning now as King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Indeed, to them, the Christian church age is but a “parenthesis of history.” They think Jesus’ reign only happens in a literal thousand-year millennium sometime in the future. At that time Jesus sits on a literal throne in literal Jerusalem ruling the world by legal proclamation (“with a rod of iron”). They think that Satan is ruling the world now.
This seems like an astounding conclusion for any professing Christian, and a horrendous insult to our Lord—especially since the Bible teaches that Jesus is indeed reigning NOW as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16). Here are some Bible verses about the present and forever reign of Christ:
“I will raise up your offspring after you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever.” (1 Chronicles 17:11-12)
“For us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and forevermore.” (Isaiah 9:6-7)
“His dominion is an everlasting dominion. . . and his kingdom shall not be destroyed.” (Daniel 7:14)
“And Jesus came and said to them, ‘All authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.” (Matthew 28:18)
“And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.” (Luke 1:33)
“The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son.” (John 5:22)
“Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.” (John 12:31)
“As for the word that he sent to Israel, preaching the good news of peace through Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)” (Acts 10:36)
“For He must reign until He has put all his enemies under his feet.” (1 Corinthians 15:25)
“and seated Him at his right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things under his feet and have him as head over all things to the church, which is his body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.” (Ephesians 1:20-23)
“He has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved Son. . . . He is the image of the invisible God. For by Him all things were created. . . . And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. . . . For in Him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through Him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven.” (Colossians 1:13-20)
“He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of Kings and Lord of lords.” (1 Timothy 6:15)
“He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of His nature, and He upholds the universe by the word of his power.” (Hebrews 1:3)
“But of the Son He says. . . You are the same and your years will have no end.” (Hebrews 1:8-12)
“He holds the priesthood permanently.” (Hebrews 7:24)
“For in this way there will be richly provided for you an entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.” (2 Peter 1:11)
“He who is born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.” (1 John 5:18)
“And from Jesus Christ ‘the faithful witness,’ the firstborn of the dead, and ‘the ruler of kings on earth. . . to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever.” (Revelation 1:5-6)
“They will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings.” (Revelation 17:14)
“On his robe and on his thigh He has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.” (Revelation 19:16)
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And I’ve not been proven wrong.
If I understand dispensationalism, largely because of the influence of Darby and Scofield, dispensationalists don’t really believe that Jesus is reigning now as King of Kings and Lord of Lords …That is the truth. When He comes to do that, all evil will go extinct due to the effects of His rule; but as things are now, there is more evil than ever in the earth, as He predicted in the Gospels.
… They think that Satan is ruling the world now. This seems like an astounding conclusion for any professing Christian, and a horrendous insult to our Lord—especially since the Bible teaches that Jesus is indeed reigning NOW as King of Kings and Lord of Lords (1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16). …LOL, this is the very conclusion that Jesus Himself came to (John 14:30 is not about any human ruler). Did Jesus insult Himself? Never mind what Paul said in 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Joh_18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. I haven't receivedany mail from His office here, yet. Eh?
imardmd1, you’re a very poor editor of your own copy.
Exactly. Would you say that His kingdom would be filled with all the evil we see around us?
That is a rhetorical question, is it not?
Why don’t you just drop it right here then.
And you believe He is? That He is giving orders on paper to Biden and Putin and telling them what to do and when?
Yeah, that is what a King does when he is ruling on the Earth.
If you do believe that, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell ya.
If you try to tell me this is the Kingdom of God right now, with Sin running rampant, send me a million dollars.
See, you have to run a con job to get us to believe this crud is it.
20 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.Nowhere does it say that "Christ will be physically present on earth, reigning from the throne of David in Israel" -- Nowhere does this passage even imply a physical, earthly kingdom in Jerusalem, Israel.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Jesus mentioned each time that His Kingdom is universal, spiritual and ecclesiastical
The souls of the martyrs are specifically mentioned as being in Heaven under the altar (Rev 6:9). Since those souls are also reigning, it is that they are still in Heaven.
Nowhere do we have any information that these are re-embodied souls. They are ruling with Christ, who in this vision is ruling from Heaven.
He ain’t doing a very good job.
Yes, that is true, but hebis returning to reign on Earth.
But that’s the thing - nowhere do we read that His reign will be a physical one on earth.
May I ask you where you read that?
You don’t belive that he will Physicly return?
I do believe he will physically return - that’s what is written in the book of Revelation after chapter 20.
however it does not say his reign will be on earth - Jesus said clearly that His kingdom is not of the world. He is Lord over all creation, not a petty earthly king
Ok, so you are Amillinal. I disagree, but it’s not a major point.
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