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See also: Were God’s Promises to Israel Forever?
1 posted on 03/19/2024 5:45:28 PM PDT by grumpa
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To: grumpa

Just to put a point with a pun on it:
It depends on what the meaning of IS-rael IS.


2 posted on 03/19/2024 5:48:23 PM PDT by Honest Nigerian
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More blog pimping?? After you’ve been discredited.


3 posted on 03/19/2024 5:48:32 PM PDT by ealgeone
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JESUS CHRIST IS THE SAME, YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER. HE IS THE GOD OF ISRAEL.


4 posted on 03/19/2024 5:49:57 PM PDT by cowboyusa (AT THIS POINT, I'M WARMING TO AN AMERICAN PINOCHETE. )
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To: grumpa
Were God’s Promises to Israel Forever?

Yes.

Your link does not prove what you think it does.

11 posted on 03/19/2024 6:30:14 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus…)
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To: grumpa

This Charles Meek guy you push here sure doesnt seem trained in how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

He comes across as unschooled in the basic fields of study one would learn in seminary.


12 posted on 03/19/2024 6:34:54 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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The Israel of God consists of the children of Israel.

There you go.

The “Israel of God” is different from the family of God or the children of God or the Kingdom of God.


13 posted on 03/19/2024 6:38:07 PM PDT by Theo (FReeping since 1997 ... drain the swamp.)
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Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.

Who shall I say sent me? I AM.

14 posted on 03/19/2024 6:40:26 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Roses are red, Violets are blue, I love being on the government watch list, along with all of you.)
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To: grumpa

You leave out the most important verses.

Why would you leave out the verses that directly answer your thesis that God is finished with Israel?

Answer Romans 11:1-7

Is there no place for Israel then in the future and Heaven?

Answer: The Twelve tribes of Israel are shown in Rev 7.

God is not a man in that He changes His mind. (Numbers 23:19)

Satan has, from DAY ONE wanted to destroy Israel, and the Messiah (see Rev 12).

Why do you hate the Jews?


15 posted on 03/19/2024 6:40:35 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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The notion that Israel is separate from the church, and that Israel will re-emerge as pre-eminent among nations is not supported by the texts.
= = =

Maybe so, but that will not stop the Jews in Israel from building a temple and doing sacrifices.

What will it gain them? If they are aware, they will realize that their performances and sacrifices still do not absolve their sin. And some will realize that the Jesus they crucified is the answer for them.

Is any of this prophesied? Yeah some is.


17 posted on 03/19/2024 6:47:37 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense)
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What about all those unfulfilled promises made to Israel in the Old Testament? Do we just throw that book away?


19 posted on 03/19/2024 6:59:58 PM PDT by fso301
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JOEL 3:2

“I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.”

REPENT


22 posted on 03/19/2024 7:14:55 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God” -Matthew 5:9)
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The notion that Israel is separate from the church, and that Israel will re-emerge as pre-eminent among nations is not supported by the texts.

The entire OT teaches this ...

28 posted on 03/19/2024 7:40:06 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: grumpa; .45 Long Colt; Apple Pan Dowdy; BDParrish; Big Red Badger; BlueDragon; boatbums; bonfire; ..
ISRAEL: CHOSEN OR FORGOTTEN? (Rm. 11)
32 posted on 03/19/2024 9:00:06 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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Wow, I havent seen someone kick up a cultist nest like this in quite a while.

Keep up the good work.


36 posted on 03/19/2024 9:48:01 PM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hivemind liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives select servants.)
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If the Church is grafted onto the Tree of Abraham it stands to reason if the tree dies the graft dies as well.


38 posted on 03/19/2024 11:51:08 PM PDT by LukeL
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It's 2am for me so I can't spend that much time on the bilge I just read.

The Old and New Testament is one book written by the Holy Spirit. The old Testament is still in effect. The Law that Jesus paid for was the Law of sin and death. Matthew 5:17-20 tells you the Law is still in effect (The 10 Commandments). Jesus said "John_14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.

Jesus didn't start a new religion. You still need the Old Testament. To learn who Israel is just read Gen 48 and learn Jacob (renamed "Israel") adopted 2 Gentile children of Joseph so they could receive an inheritance in the promised land from God. There are No, none, nada, covenants made with Gentiles, you must be adopted into God's family,... Israel to receive Heaven. You are adopted by the blessing of the "cross" of Jacob in Gen 48:16-22. Jesus said "Salvation is from the Jews". You must be adopted to receive an inheritance from God.

Generally, when you read about Ephraim in Scripture it's referring to the line of Jesus as Joseph was a type of Jesus. God married the Jews at Mt Sinai when the Jews told Moses "All this we will do" when Moses told them what God said on the tablets. Jesus will marry His church when they are raptured on some future Feast of Trumpets. In the Last Days we will be joined with the Jews as in Ezekiel 37:16-28.

Jesus was born a Jew, Lived as a Jew, followed the Leviticus 23 feast Days, Observed the Sabbath on Saturday, died as a Jew, and sits on His throne in Heaven as the Lion of Judah. He will come back to rescue His people and His land in Israel in the last days. Satan's plan has been from the beginning to kill God's people and take God's land. Knowing that, choose which side to be on,...Hamas or Israel. Israel is literally your adopted brothers if you are a Christian. Hamas is from Satan and is hell bound.

39 posted on 03/20/2024 12:58:14 AM PDT by chuckles
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This is not “replacement theology, but rather “inclusion theology.

wow.

following your logic is like watching a gymnast.

how can a breaking off branches
( jews)

be considered “ inclusion “ ?

olympic level weasel wordsmithing is what that is.

you start with an open attempt to murder logic and common sense with an insult to intelligence

and end , ironically , with this..

The notion that Israel is separate from the church, .....first off this brings us up to the very 2 verses i challenged you over,.,,,,, and are the versus you continue to ignore and run from . .
you apparently redact those ...and then claim ..

The notion that Israel is separate from the church......is not supported by the texts

Dan 7:21 - “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, ...........and prevailing against them,

Daniel 7:21... israel prevailed against
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Matthew ...church not prevailed against
............

Mat 16:18 - “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades............. shall not prevail against.

..looks like they are seperate, thats what the plain reading text says.

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48 posted on 03/20/2024 7:58:14 AM PDT by cuz1961 (officially useless /-))
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