Posted on 03/19/2024 5:45:28 PM PDT by grumpa
RE Romans 11. The question is Who Is Israel, which is the subject of the OP. It’s not natural, genetic Israel. It is the Israel of God, which is all believers in Christ in addition to a remnant from the Old Covenant (11:5).
The Arabs thought it was a clever trick and used it one more time to make Mohamed and Islam the true replacement for Christianity.
Historically this view has led to a lot of nasty anti-Semetism.
For instance the Protestant sect's inventor Martin Luther came to hate the Jews for not acknowledging Christ as the repacement leader and went on to suggest something akin the the Nazi Nuerenberg laws. It's not really surprising the Holocaust was perpetrated by the Government of the country that venerated the antiSemetic heritic.
Supernatural claims to have superseeded someone's religions are always an ungly thing and should be avoided by thoughtful people.2
As long as the roots are not severed, all is well.
And all will be well in the garden.
—Chance the Gardener
You make Joseph Smith cry.
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i provided 2, and you went dark, ran from the example, failed to reconcile it with your theology . i presented those 2 verses at least 3 times , challenged you to explain them, and you haven't
you ignore rebuttal's that prove you wrong
your ears are closed,
so
the only thing you have proved is youre
a
liar.
——>At least 9 of the 10 commandments were reiterated as valid in the New Testament.
But not the one God said to remember.
If you were remotely interested in biblical evidence ... you would not be a preterist.
wow.
following your logic is like watching a gymnast.
how can a breaking off branches
( jews)
be considered “ inclusion “ ?
olympic level weasel wordsmithing is what that is.
you start with an open attempt to murder logic and common sense with an insult to intelligence
and end , ironically , with this..
The notion that Israel is separate from the church, .....first off this brings us up to the very 2 verses i challenged you over,.,,,,, and are the versus you continue to ignore and run from . .
you apparently redact those ...and then claim ..
The notion that Israel is separate from the church......is not supported by the texts
Dan 7:21 - “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, ...........and prevailing against them,
Daniel 7:21... israel prevailed against
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Matthew ...church not prevailed against
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Mat 16:18 - “And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades............. shall not prevail against.
..looks like they are seperate, thats what the plain reading text says.
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+1 : )
LIFE——
Is A State of Mind.
.
Being There
Jesus said in red letters that He came to fulfill the Law, not change it or do away with it in Mat 5.
The Roman Catholic church banned Sabbath worship in the 4th century and changed it to a pagan day to worship the sun god. They banned Passover and the other Leviticus 23 Feasts because they were Antisemitic. Jesus kept every law and Feast listed in Scripture because He kept the Law. The first church that Jesus started Himself observed the laws and feasts as He did. For nearly 400 years it was so. A modern thing we ask today is "What would Jesus do?" People that claim Christ but don't keep His Commandments will hear from Him "Go away from Me, you workers of inequity, I never knew you". If you notice, Easter and Passover NEVER fall on the same day. Passover always falls on Nisan 15. Christmas is celebrating Tammuz, Nimrod's son. Nimrod is a type of Antichrist that started Babylon.
If you are looking for a mulligan of grace after you know what God requires, you aren't reading it right. God felt so strongly about the Sabbath that he included it as the 4th Commandment. Christians don't have 9 Commands out of 10. He never said don't commit adultery only if you feel like it. If you know what God said and don't do it, that is sin. When Jesus explained that if you have hate in your heart, you have already committed murder, or lust in your heart, you have committed adultery, He was explaining that you are still expected to follow the Commandments but also expected to understand the spiritual aspect of what they mean. Learning the Torah is a Spiritual teaching that is the foundation for the whole Bible and the foundation for understanding Jesus. An example would be a study of Exodus and learning the connection between the Tabernacle and Jesus. In Revelation we find the connection with the Tabernacle and Jesus.
Rev_21:3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God.
If you don't study the Old Testament, you will never understand the message of the New Testament. They are NOT different. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
He was wounded for our Transgressions...
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Passover always falls on Nisan 15.
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It is written,
In the first month and in the 14th day of the month, at evening shall be the Passover of the Lord.
Passover is the 14th.
Unleavened Bread is the 15th.
It is written,
And on the 15th day of this month shall be the Feast of Unleavened Bread unto the Lord.
Assuming this chart is mostly accurate, the change by the Early Christian Church (not really the Catholic Church, as we think of it today, the first of the schism's having not happened, and the Bishop of Rome not being considered the head of all Christianity at that time) -- meant that all future churches created by schism or separation inherited the "pagan" errors of Sabbath on Sunday.
Easter and Passover don't celebrate the same thing, obviously, so it's not clear that Easter is on the Wrong day, other than the entire Julian calendar was tossed onto the scrap heap by Pope Gregory to fix the errors in the Julian one. Logically it falls to ~: Passover + 3 days.
Not sure what you are getting at there.
Neither.
A believer is either part of spiritual Israel, or not. You must be born again. Church membership doesn’t automatically mean you are part of “the great congregation” or spiritual Israel.
The commandments that applied to His Chosen People?
I'll be back later, as there is a witch down the road that needs attending to.
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