Posted on 03/07/2024 4:51:11 PM PST by grumpa
It seems to me that Christians too often are more interested in defending a position, rather than surrendering to what the Bible teaches. Let’s see what the Bible teaches about a rebuilt temple. Fear not to be challenged and changed.
1. Re-instituted temple sacrifices would be blasphemous to Jesus. The New Covenant began in the first century; there is no New New Covenant. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: The writer of Hebrews said that Jesus’ sacrifice was ONCE FOR ALL (Hebrews 10:8-14).
2. All promises of restoration of Israel have come true in Messiah Jesus (Luke 1:54-55, 69-75; 2 Corinthians 1:20). Jesus replaced the temple as the focus of our faith. He is the cornerstone and believers are living stones. So, the physical temple has been replaced by a spiritual one. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: Matthew 21:42; 27:40; Mark 14:58; John 2:19-21; Acts 4:11; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 6:19; 2 Corinthians 1:20; 6:16; Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5; Revelation 21:22.
3. The Abomination of Desolation (Matthew 24:15) has already happened. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: Jesus told his contemporaries that THEY would witness it. (“When YOU see the abomination of desolation. . . .”) “YOU” are the people to whom Jesus was speaking. It happened when the temple was defiled by the zealots and then by the Romans in the Jewish-Roman War of AD 66-70.
4. The Man of Lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3) was already at work when the inspired Apostle Paul was writing. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: Paul himself said so in 2 Thessalonians 2:7. While there are several first-century candidates, a likely suspect for the Man of Lawlessness was the zealot leader Eleazar ben Ananus, the ruthless instigator of the rebellion that caused the Romans to attack in AD 66―leading to the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in AD 70. Eleazar sat in the temple and acted lawlessly in the very manner Paul described. Jewish historian Josephus described him as if defying God in his lawlessness, abominations, and atrocities.
5. There is not a 2,000-year gap between Daniel’s 69th and 70th week in Daniel 9:26-27. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: There is no hint of a large gap in the text. Inserting one there is reading something into the text that simply isn’t there. Daniel’s 490-year prophecy ends in the first century with the Abomination of Desolation and the “end to sacrifice and offering.” That happened in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed (cf. Daniel 12:7, 11).
6. The Great Tribulation was not a worldwide event and it has already happened. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: Jesus told his followers they could escape it by fleeing to the mountains (Matthew 24: 16). This would happen when Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in AD 66 (Luke 21:20-21). Ancient historian Eusebius wrote that the Christians followed Jesus’ advice and did in fact flee the city to avoid the coming devastation of the war.
7. The Antichrist was already at work when John was writing. SUPPORTING EVIDENCE: John said so (1 John 4:3). John also proclaimed that IT WAS THE LAST HOUR (1 John 2:18).
Maranatha!
So.... If someone means to do something for evil,
then God can’t mean it for good?
So.... if the Jews returned to Israel,
then somehow God’s sovereignty over amillennialism is faltering?
Amillennials are typically a lazy lot. But this is beyond that.
Agree on the Abomination of Desolation. The ultimate abomination is a temple to Satan standing where God's temple was. That is nothing but muslim gloating and should be removed. Ezekiel and Revelation both describe a Temple in the New Jerusalem, though. Not sure how that fits in.
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You mean you think the detailed extensive prophecies of Ezekiel and as well as most all of Revelation have clearly comes to pass? You can only wish the devil has been bound, and Babylon has been silenced, and Ezekiel's temple can be all spiritualized. Etc. That is more like Jews explaining away Is. 53.
Agreed grumps. According to some here that makes us reprobates and unsaved. Lol.
Satan may very well try/cause it to happen, thereby validating his PTR trap and driving in one of the final nails in the coffins of the saps that have fallen for it. Many will lose their salvation after they have been deceived into taking the Mark of the Beast.
Not only that, the Millennium would have already been completed and we would all be living in the New Heaven and Earth and I hope this isn't Heaven...(but they probably don't believe that part of the Bible either).
oh look
ANOTHER
anti dispensation
antisemite jew hater
BASH thread
why dont you act like a man
and promote what you sincerly believ In
instead of acting like a gossipping old woman attacking others ?
and THERE is the cusp of the matter
pride
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salvation by works
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God the abortionist they call us cowards afraid of the trib out of PRIDE the original sin. and the fear monger cry of but youll lose your salvation !!! its lost and you wont be able to find it !!! both sims straight out of the pit of hell doctrins of demons salvation by works and pride shame on you
why dont you act like a man
and promote what you sincerly believ In
instead of acting like a gossipping old woman attacking what you dont ?
youre a modern metaphorical sanhedrin
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This sure doctrine versus that sure doctrine. Every day the same old settled doctrine stand-offs. 'Til Kingdom Come.
The Dark Side never learns because it already knows everything already.
"Let that sink in." ~ anointed shepherd David, so to speak. 1 Sam 17:49
But wait. What about Ezekiel's vision of a new temple (Ezekiel 40-48)? There is solid evidence that it is a spiritual temple rather than a physical one. See this article:
Where's my map [מפה]...
In the entire Tanakh, that letter string only appears as an individual word-unit.
Out of the 12x it is located in the Hebrew Bible, 11x it's in chapter 40:
verse 10: 3x
verse 12: 1x
verse 39: 1x
verse 41: 2x
verse 48: 2x
verse 49: 2x
From this side, or that side.. every detail in its proper place.
CONCLUSION: The best fit of the evidence is that Ezekiel's temple vision was fulfilled in Jesus, and is where believers reside!
Naturally, the simple obvious connection won't make sense until this prophecy comes to pass:
1 Sam 16
11. And Samuel said to Jesse, Are here all your children? And he said, There remains still the youngest, and, behold, he keeps the sheep; And Samuel said to Jesse, Send and fetch him; for we will not sit down (nasov -- turn, revolve, spin) till he comes here:
12. And he sent, and brought him in; And he was red haired, with beautiful eyes, and good looking; And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him; for this is he:
While everyone continues to argue over their sure "proof texts" proving opposite things, stop motion Kris Kringle got the truth out way back at Christmas 1970.
Ginger Kris Kringle! Rankin-Bass! The takedown is going to be epic. Epic.
That last "map" location is in Ezra 9:11. It's actually the first in the Christian order of the books.
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Absolutely Not !
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I was thinking specifically of the Original sin and Judgement ;
‘He will bruise his heal——’
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God’s promise to Abraham about Issac...
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Revelation and Ezekiel are Coming on strong with A New Jerusalem in our future.
Is. 53 is one of my Favorites!
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Preterist....I am not!
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One thing guaranteed with these threads of ill-dispute....
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LOL!
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