Posted on 03/03/2024 10:48:40 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
I was going to format it better, but then my wife called me to help her, so I just said, “Oh this is good enough”.
You are the one smearing The Sovereign Lord, His Chosen Nation, and all True Bible-Believing Christians who take Him at His Word.
The scenarios (which I’ve gone over time and again with you) regarding Israel are:
“I will bless you” if....
“If you disobey my commands”....
Blessings and cursings are outlined in the OT.
You take it a step further by calling The Lord a liar because you blot out His Eternal Promises to Her which are outlined all over the OT.
Maybe you just can’t find Romans 11 in your Bible?
Or Ezekiel 36 and 37 - I know you dispute this, but I’m posting this because others might actually want to learn rather than staying put in ignorance.
Your poisonous belief in Preterism is what keeps you from seeing the truth - somebody has to tell you.
Others have chimed in too.... *sigh* đ„±đ
And so, how is this applied to the whole of judaism then?
Because if it is, as you are indicating, then the promises God made to the Jews have been broken by God. God (though the smoking pot and torch) walked through the two halves, not Abraham AND God.
No, the correct interpretation does not make God into a capricious God, like the god of the pagans.
Yes that is true.
He did great damage to The Word of God.
Yes, note that BOTH the Church and Israel are present in Revelation.
And Jesus said: “And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; 9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
Then He said: “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
Jesus is in full agreement with Paul in Romans.
Only those who accept Jesus as Messiah can be true Jews.
Revelation speaks much of 7 (Christian) churches that are made up of Jewish and Gentile "Believers". When it speaks of Israel it distinguishing between Israel Believers and non-Believers. The reference to the 144,000 is in reference to Jewish Believers. I.e., "Then I looked and saw the Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him 144,000 who had His (Christ's) name and His Fatherâs name written on their foreheads." - Rev 14:1
Much discussion about Israel's position and role is conflated IMHO. Israel (in-Christ) must be distinguished/separated from Israel (rejecting-Christ).
If I’m not mistaken, it was out that meeting in Chicago that the New International Version of the bible was born, probably the worst translation ever conceived. It took the “word for word” translation of the manuscripts out of the mix and instead inserted “dynamic equivalence” thereby giving the ungodly a way to reinterpret the Bible to their liking.
NIV didn’t help, but Preterist poison has been around since the times of Augustine and before.
Too many people have this braggart belief that the vine grafted in is more important than the actual tree itself.
These same types conveniently forget that Jesus was Jewish too. Oops!
The Five Biggest Errors of Dispensationalism
1. CHURCH AGE. Dispensationalists would have us believe that the church age is but a parenthesis in history. In other words, the church age constituted an âinterruptionâ in the fulfilment of the kingdom promises to Israel. This doctrine teaches that the gospel will ultimately fail, and Christ will have to return to set up a POLITICAL kingdom. But, Christ and the gospel were not a sidelight. That idea is an abomination and an affront to our Lord Jesus Christ. The kingdom of Christâthe New Covenant/Christian Ageâis in effect now (Matthew 16:19; Colossians 1:13) and has NO END. There are dozens of passages which prove that: 2 Samuel 7:13; 1 Chronicles 17:11-12; Isaiah 9:7; Ezekiel 37:26; Daniel 2:44; 4:3, 34; 7:14, 18, 27; Luke 1:31-33; Ephesians 3:21; Hebrews 1:1-12; 5:6; 6:20; 7:16-28; 2 Peter 1:11; Revelation 1:6; 5:13; 11:15. Furthermore, the New Covenant and the gospel are eternal (Hebrews 12:28; 13:20; Revelation 14:6) and has universal application (John 3:16; Romans 1:16; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 1:21; Titus 2:11; 1 John 4:14; Revelation 5:9; 7:9). And remember, Christâs kingdom is a spiritual kingdom, not a physical one (Luke 17:20-21; John 18:36).
2. DUAL COVENANT THEOLOGY. Dispensationalists think that Israel is distinct from the churchâthat Israel will re-emerge as pre-eminent among nations. They will again be Godâs people in a unique sense. But, this conception was obliterated with the teachings of Paul that all distinctions between Jew and Gentile have been broken down by the gospel (Galatians 3:28). Acts 20:21-24 is clear that in the New Covenant the gospel is the same for both Jews and Gentilesârepentance and faith in Jesus. The New Testament declares that all of Godâs covenant promises were fulfilled in Jesus (Luke 1:54-55, 69-75; 2 Corinthians 1:20), the ultimate offspring of Abraham (Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:16). The promises to Israel were contingent on obedience (Deuteronomy 28), but she failed the test (Matthew 23:29-24:3) and had a finite end (Mathew 21:18-19; Romans 11:11-24; Hebrews 8:13; 10:8-10; etc.). The kingdom was taken from the Jews and given to another group, namely the church (Matthew 21:33-45)âmelding a remnant of faithful Jews with believers in Christ (Romans 9:27; 11:1-24; Galatians 3:28). The new Israel of God is no longer fleshly, natural Israel, but rather are those who have faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12-13; 8:31-47; Romans 2:28-29; 9:6-8; Galatians 3:6-9, 25-29; 6:14-16; 1 Peter 2:4-10; etc.). The modern state of Israel has nothing to do with biblical Israel.
3. MISUNDERSTANDING THE LAST DAYS/END TIMES. There are 19 specific mentions of the last days or end times in the New Testament. Without exception, the writers of the New Testament declared that THEY were living in the last days (Acts 2:14-21; 1 Corinthians 7:19-21; 10:11; Hebrews 1:1-2; 9:26; 1 Peter 1:20; 4:7; 1 John 2:18; etc.) Thus, the last days/end times marked the end of the old covenant order, not the end of time or the end of the Christian Age.
4. INSISTENCE ON ALWAYS READING THE BIBLE LITERALLY. Just some questions: Should we literally hate our mother and father so that we can be Jesusâ disciple (Luke 14:26)? If your eye causes you to sin, should you literally pluck it out (Mark 9:47)? Is it necessary to literally eat Christâs body in order to have life (John 6:53)? Did the mountains and the hills really break into song and the trees clap their hands (Isaiah 55:12)? When God judged Babylon according to Isaiahâs prophecy, an event fulfilled in actual history in 539 BC, did the stars and sun literally stop giving their light (Isaiah 13:10) and the heavens literally tremble (Isaiah 13:13)? When God judged Edom in 583 BC, did the sky literally roll up like a scroll (Isaiah 34:4)? Why do you insist on a literal earthly kingdom when Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36)? Is the New Jerusalem literally a future city 1400 miles square that will hover over the Middle East like a space ship? Geeze. Especially this literal millennial stuff, if it wasnât being taught in Christian churches, it would be considered science fiction!
5. FUTURIZING DANIELâS 70 WEEKS. Here are things that cannot be found in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24-27: the Antichrist, a covenant being made with the Jews by Antichrist (then broken), a gap of 2,000 years between the 69th and 70th weeks, a post AD 70 rebuilt temple. If these things are not found in Daniel 9, dispensationalism crumbles. Daniel 9:27 is clear that the prophecy ended with the âend to sacrifice and offeringâ and the Abomination of Desolation (which Jesus told his first-century followers they would witness per Matthew 24:15). These things happened in real time in AD 70 when the temple was destroyed (Matthew 24:2, 34).
âThe very idea of a God that planned and predicted the establishment of the kingdom, at a given time in history, and sent His Son to accomplish that, only to see him fail, is surely one of the most shameful theological concepts ever invented. . . . Are we supposed to believe that Jesus âdid not envisionââthe establishment of the church, even though he came to die to purchase it?â (Don K. Preston, Seal Up Vision and Prophecy, pgs. 93, 96)
âDispensationalism is a theological house of cards. The main reason that it remains the eschatology of choice among fundamentalists is its sensationalism factor. With its parenthesis view of history and a return to the Old Covenant rites of circumcision and animal sacrifices, it is beyond me how anyone can claim that dispensationalism is orthodox Christianity.â (from 10 Popular Prophecy Myths Exposed and Answered, pg. 102)
Paul was saying that the tree was Jewish, and you know it.
All of God’s promises to the Jews were fulfilled in Christ.
No we don't. We know that Jesus is God incarnated into the body of Jew. But it doesn't mean that mortals with Jewish DNA are special.
Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: âI now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism.
What has been replaced is not the Jewish people but the Old Covenant. The New Covenant in Jesus Christ is open to Jews and non-Jews alike. There are not two covenants; only one.
I was watching a ministry on Youtube, I don't remember the name of it, and I thought, "ok, these folks got their act together." Then they started with their replacement theology stuff, and I immediately unfavored them.
“You are the one smearing The Sovereign Lord, His Chosen Nation”
I merely quoted the words of Jesus. How is that smearing Him?
However, your deranged insane rantings are entertaining.
Although, a few hundred years ago, you are one of the ones slaughtering people who do not comply and obey your freaking little nonsense.
His “chosen nation” according to you did not exist for 2,000 years. Not to much chosen in that.
The tribes of Israel are not identified as a separate nation, and the visions include many more people.
——>43 âTherefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
Exactly. Literal Israel is done. They were given EXACTLY 490 years to repent, etc... as prophesied by Daniel. They failed. The “gospel message” was taken from them and given to the Gentiles, the church. The church is a continuation of literal Israel. They are no longer a chosen people. They have as much chance as anyone else for salvation.
GOD is faithful to his promises to Israel FO4 HIS NAMES SAKE, NOT because they deserve it. And a true Jew is one who’s circumcision is of the heart. GOD doesn’t break his covenants. And he also follows through on his judgements.
All promises to LITERAL Israel now apply to SPIRITUAL Israel. And, those promises were and are CONDITIONAL upon obedience.
Hebrews 10: (New Covenant)
16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;
17And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Those who will be in heaven:
Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
So simple.
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