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1 posted on 12/07/2023 1:05:30 PM PST by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

Actually I have read that.


2 posted on 12/07/2023 1:12:15 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: ad ferre non, velit esse sine defensione)
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Excellent chapter. I’ve excerpted it here a number of times. It does explain a lot.


3 posted on 12/07/2023 1:13:26 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: Red Badger
(II Thess Chapter 2

The Man of Lawlessness)

Thank you. I keep trying to tell people that this is coming. It will be beyond life-changing for the whole planet 🌎🌍.

And it won't matter how much money or assets that a person has. EVERYTHING will be subject to the 4th Beast World Government of Daniel 7:23.

I don't believe that the Church is here for that but there WILL be Tribulaton Saints (Revelation 20:4; Revelation 14:9-12).






4 posted on 12/07/2023 1:15:36 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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5 posted on 12/07/2023 1:17:48 PM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper)
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To: Red Badger
This Chapter in the Bible That You’ve Probably Not Read Explains Everything Happening Today

If it's in the Bible, trust me, I've read it a bunch of times. (At least once/year since at least 2000.)

6 posted on 12/07/2023 1:25:40 PM PST by Lee N. Field (I beat wasp nests with a stick for fun.)
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To: Red Badger

2 Thessalonians 2


7 posted on 12/07/2023 1:33:35 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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What saddens me is that the answer is there for all to see, yet so many either find it too difficult to follow, or simply think it's fiction.

Meanwhile, millions of people are living lives that are substantially less than their potential. This fragile and special gift of life is so short, yet distractions like drugs and sex become so consuming that the real joy of living is unrealized.

I can only imagine that God's grief is massive.

9 posted on 12/07/2023 1:44:37 PM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment
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“Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back....”

Has nothing to do with today’s world. Notice, why would Paul insist on telling people things that would happen 2,000 years later, as if he knew.

“Holding” Present participle, happening when Paul wrote.


10 posted on 12/07/2023 1:46:31 PM PST by odawg ( )
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To: Red Badger

I read and quote that chapter often, especially from the 1599 Geneva bible.


20 posted on 12/07/2023 3:04:31 PM PST by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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22 posted on 12/07/2023 3:12:33 PM PST by sauropod (The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly.)
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“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus Christ shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels.
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.” 2 Thess. 1:7,8. KJV

Paul continues in the same vein in 2:1, speaking of the same coming he had just described.
“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him.”

The “coming” here is the one he had just described. Which is after the tribulation when he comes in judgment (Matt. 24:29-31). Not a secret rapture.

Concerning that “day,” the day of his coming, a day of judgment, he goes on to say:

“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, AND THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the son of perdition.
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” verses 3,4.

The full preterists say the opposite. The rebellion and the antichrist came first, then came the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto him. They have the rebellion, the antichrist, and our gathering unto Christ as past events, not future, Having already taken place about two thousand years ago.

Likewise, the pre-tribs on FR choose to be deceived, which Paul clearly warns against, teaching that Christ comes first (in an alleged pretrib rapture), and NOT THE ANTICHRIST as Paul clearly says.

The apostle Paul says the rebellion and antichrist comes first, and we should not be deceived on this by any means.


32 posted on 12/07/2023 4:18:18 PM PST by sasportas
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At the church I attend, we are in the middle of a 5 week study on Thessalonians II. Prior to that we went thru First Thessalonians.


33 posted on 12/07/2023 4:24:07 PM PST by Michael.SF. (There is only one reason why I will ever vote for a Republican: Democrats)
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To: Red Badger; golux; Phinneous; MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
But the bible has been foretelling world events for thousands of years so it makes sense that perhaps it may have insight into what is going on today.

And

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him...

There's much Jewish commentary since forever about the opening of Genesis chapter 49, when Jacob told his sons to gather around so he could inform them of the 'end times' (the ketz, end).

The problem is... what intel? He didn't seem to say anything about the end times. Thus opinions go along the lines of:

He knew the time was going to very very long, so he didn't want to demoralize them, or

the Shekinah departed from him, or

he spoke in code, concealing the information within the blessings.

Here's a good article on the topic.

It's really easy to get bogged down in the minutia, but the word from the top (Da Capo, so to speak) is

1. And Jacob called to his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days:
2. Gather yourselves together, and hear, you sons of Jacob; and listen to Israel your father:
3. See a son...

It's pretty simple really.

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44 posted on 12/07/2023 6:10:55 PM PST by Ezekiel (πŸ†˜οΈ "Come fly with US". Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with bi ♂️, aka every man)
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