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To: Philsworld
... what that covenant might be. Any ideas?

Rom.9 [4] Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; [5] Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.







114 posted on 12/05/2023 6:56:44 PM PST by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: af_vet_1981

First, it would help if you included chapter and verse of the texts you post, not just the wording. Thanks in advance.

Second, I will address most, if not all, of the texts you included. Can’t do it all now because of work. But, Friday certainly after I wake up. Here’s one of them now.

Jeremiah 32:37Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely: 38And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: 39And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: 40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. 41Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul. 42For thus saith the LORD; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them. 43And fields shall be bought in this land, whereof ye say, It is desolate without man or beast; it is given into the hand of the Chaldeans. 44Men shall buy fields for money, and subscribe evidences, and seal them, and take witnesses in the land of Benjamin, and in the places about Jerusalem, and in the cities of Judah, and in the cities of the mountains, and in the cities of the valley, and in the cities of the south: for I will cause their captivity to return, saith the LORD.

The EVERLASTING COVENANT mentioned here is the NEW COVENANT, also mentioned elsewhere in Jeremiah, and later, in Hebrews. Of course, it wouldn’t take effect until the moments after the death of Christ. The captivity being discussed is from Babylon, 70 years. AND DON’T FORGET, that they were put into that situation by God because of their iniquity/disobedience. Was that it for them? No, it was not. Daniel prophesied that God would THEN give them exactly 70 prophetic weeks, or 490 literal years, to repent of their sins and rebellion (Daniel 9:24), etc... God’s covenant with them was CONDITIONAL on that. And, the gathering mentioned in Jeremiah is back to Jerusalem, from where they were taken from by the Babylonians. Has NOTHING to do with end time dispensational prophecy of the Jewish nation.

Your total misunderstanding (and of your friends), of Daniel’s 70 week prophecy, is your Achilles heel. God gave them EXACTLY 490 years to repent, which they did not. It was over for them as a literal nation when they stoned Stephen. The kingdom was taken from them and given to the Gentiles (those in Christ). Literal Israel, the nation of Israel, the Jewish nation, means NOTHING now. Those who believe in the Secret Rapture and anything having to with literal Israel as a sign of the end, are just being fooled by Satan.

Daniel 9:24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Here’s what NON-SDA, John Gill, says about Jeremiah 32:37, 38:

37: Behold, I will gather them out of all countries,.... At the end of the seventy years’ captivity; and which will have a greater accomplishment in the latter day, when the Jews shall be converted, and gathered from their present dispersion all over the earth:

whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath: or “whither I shall drive them”, or “shall have driven them” m; for as yet they were not thus driven and dispersed. A heap of words is made use of to express the greatness of the Lord’s indignation at them for their sins, the cause of their expulsion out of the land:

and I will bring them again unto this place; the city of Jerusalem; as they were at the end of the seventy years’ captivity; and when the promise was fulfilled, that they should purchase and possess fields and vineyards; and as they will likewise at the time of their conversion in the latter day:

and I will cause them to dwell safely; which yet they did not for any continuance after their return from Babylon; being, as Jerom observes, often molested by the Persians, Macedonians, and Egyptians; and at last destroyed by the Romans: their troubles in the times of the Maccabees are very notorious; so that this refers either to the first times of the Gospel, and to the Jews that then believed in Christ; or rather to times yet to come, and which are prophesied of at

38: And they shall be my people, and I will be their God. A comprehensive summary of the covenant of grace, which shall be made known to the Jews at the time of their conversion, and the blessings of it applied to them, and bestowed on them; though now a “loammi”, Hosea 1:9, is written upon them; see Jeremiah 30:21.


115 posted on 12/06/2023 6:43:40 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981

It would help if you posted book and chapter...


116 posted on 12/06/2023 6:45:34 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981
Exodus 19:[5] Now therefore, IF ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: [6] And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Did you notice the word "if"? If ye will obey my voice. If ye will keep my covenant....

They did not obey God's voice and keep his covenant. (By the way, what is God's covenant?)

Literal Israel FAILED, even after 490 years given them to repent. CONDITIONAL

119 posted on 12/07/2023 5:42:13 AM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981

The Sign of the Sabbath

Exodus 31:

12And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. 14Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. 17It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

Again, the covenant is CONDITIONAL. All one has to do is read why God allowed Babylon to do what they did…..desecration of the holy Sabbath, worshipping the sun, etc… 800 years of iniquity and given chance after chance after chance. THEN, they were given their LAST CHANCE, of 490 years, as prophesied in Daniel 9:24.

The Abomination that makes Desolate
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/abomination-of-desolation.htm


122 posted on 12/08/2023 8:24:23 PM PST by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: af_vet_1981; Philsworld
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. [11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. [12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. [13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.


1 Corinthians 7:19 King James Bible

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.


Is Paul a HERETIC here?

132 posted on 12/09/2023 1:31:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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