If Modern Israel Is Not Biblical Israel, Then Why Is The God Of The Bible Protecting It?

Harbingers Daily ^ | 11/27/23 | Amir Tsarfati

[vespa300]

>>>Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.>>>>

Amen, the law reveals my sin. Only one definition of sin in scripture. Sin is transgression of the law. Before i was changed by Christ, the law was against me. Upon conversion, I delight in the law. The law has no power over me. I dont’ want to steal or lie or hate...and I love the Sabbath which was made for man. Paul says the law is holy just and good.

Those Christians who say the law is a curse are the same ones who say sin is homosexuality and abortion. See.....you have law too. You are just picky and choosy about your laws.

And all because of the Sabbath which is what it’s really about......The Sabbath was made for man. It was MADE. You can unmake what God made...sorry.

These texts in Romans 7 are a tough for dispensationalists:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.

[reasonisfaith]

Have we managed to recognize that the nation of Israel is not the same entity as its leaders in high places?

[Danie_2023]

“All those who try to come against Israel and The Lord’s People will be bulldozed by The Lord Himself.”

And ... all those that have falsely accused and persecuted Netanyahu, just like they have Trump, will pay dearly. I only wish we would be allowed to witness that “reckoning” and the divine justice that God will be handing out.

[Scrambler Bob]

Have we managed to recognize that the nation of Israel is not the same entity as its leaders in high places?
= = =

This is my thought train lately. Supporting Israel is not necessarily supporting Netenyahoo.

And it mioght not be sending arms to the IDF.

So . . . I ponder that.

[af_vet_1981]

Correct, yet it is worth mentioning that not every Catholic shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; there are the wheat and there are the tares. It becomes evident by one’s love, or lack thereof, for the least of Jesus’ brethren.

“The Catholic Church has an irrevocable commitment to the Jewish community. This commitment is clear and straightforward: antisemitism is anti-Christian and should not be tolerated in any form. At the Second Vatican Council, in Nostra Aetate, the Catholic Church articulated, ‘Mindful of the inheritance she shares with the Jews, the Church decries hatreds, persecutions, and manifestations of antisemitism directed against Jews at any time and by anyone.’

“We offer our prayerful support for all victims of antisemitic violence and their families. It is our hope that through continued respectful collaboration and dialogue with our Jewish brothers and sisters Catholics will help build a culture that completely rejects antisemitism.”

Bishop Joseph C. Bambera of Scranton, and chairman of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs

[Hot Tabasco]

All those who try to come against Israel and The Lord’s People will be bulldozed by The Lord Himself.

All I see is the never ending attacks on Israel by the Palestinians and other Muslim factions. I see no evidence of the Lord lending a helping hand.

I've witnessed the never ending attacks on western civilization by the agents of Islam, but yet to witness any of God's hand in their protection.

I believe in a God but I have no belief that "He or It" has any hand in what is going on in this world today.

I believe that a God created this world and universe, but that's it.......

[af_vet_1981]

I was once as you describe, only worse, not believing in God at all, nor the devil. A friend who confronted me one day and I argued "I don't believe in the devil" and he countered with "That is exactly what he wants" because if you don't believe that the father of all lies exists and hates you, you cannot defend yourself against such an enemy.

For some reason, this made sense to me, even if I didn't believe yet in God.

It took a Jew reading and explaining Isaiah 52-53 to convict and convince me. I knew then that the Bible was all true, even though I knew so little of it.

Isaiah 52/53:
[13] Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
[14] As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:
[15] So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

[1] Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
[2] For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
[3] He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
[4] Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
[8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
[9] And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
[10] Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
[11] He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
[12] Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

[Hot Tabasco]

I have stated many times before that while I believe in a God, I do not subscribe to any religion from viewing so much hypocrisy from so called Christians of every religion.

With that being said, I have an acquaintance that I play senior softball with who is a "Rabbi". But not a Rabbi in the true Jewish sense but rather a Christine Jew.

So what exactly is a Christian/Jew? I'm asking because I'm thinking about visiting his house of worship to see what it's all about.

[af_vet_1981]

So what exactly is a Christian/Jew?

Timothy to whom the Apostle Paul wrote two epistles was such a one.
1. A Jew is anyone born of a Jewish mother.
2. A Christian is anyone who believes Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.

[daniel1212]

The US, on the other hand, is bulldozing itself by knee-jerk unquestioning support of the Israeli state.

What news are you reading? The US is hindering Israel - the best and almost only ally and purchaser in the Middle East - as well as supporting it, and helping little Israel's foes as it has for years.

I way I see it in brief, Israel lost its land - which, unlike Islam, was conquered due to incontrovertible Divine commandment - due to disobedience to God, and after a succession of conquerors, was was provided a portion of their land back by the last conqueror, while what were essentially squatters, repeatedly rejected offers of peaceful co-existence, which Israel's Arab citizens (about 20% of the Israel) do.

You may be against foreign aid in general, but when you support allies then it is not like a deficient to enemies. And the figures I see show,

The U.S. goods trade deficit with Saudi Arabia was $11.9 billion in 2022, a 359.1 percent increase ($9.3 billion) over 2021. In 2019, U.S. goods exports to Israel increased 5.1 percent to $14.4 billion from 2018. Since 1985, when the United States-Israel FTA came into force, U.S. exports to Israel have risen by 538 percent, although in 2019, the United States ran a $5.1 billion bilateral deficit in goods. - https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-eastnorth-africa/saudi-arabia

And I also read:

Israel ends up sacrificing far more value in return for the nearly $4 billion it annually receives from Washington. That’s because nearly all military aid to Israel—other than loan guarantees, which cost Washington nothing, the U.S. gives Israel no other kind of aid—consists of credits that go directly from the Pentagon to U.S. weapons manufacturers

In 2019, leading liberal and progressive candidates vying for the Democratic nomination for president, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Julian Castro, all voiced support for making aid a condition of Israel allowing the U.S. to dictate its internal politics.

As the price of its dependency, Israel is now being forced to downgrade its own defense industries. Whereas the previous MOU [Memorandum of Understanding] contained a special provision for Off-Shore Procurement (OSP) that allowed Israel to spend around 26% of the aid it received on domestic products, the new terms require that all aid received from Washington be spent inside the U.S.

Recently, U.S. military aid to both Israel and the Palestinian territories has been dwarfed by U.S. aid to Ukraine, which last year totaled over $75 billion. That’s more aid than Israel has received from the U.S. during the entirety of the U.S.-Israel relationship.

Aid to Israel has never been an act of charity or a payment extorted by “the lobby,” but a tool to advance American interests. The list of these interests can change—historically, it has included counterterrorism, nuclear nonproliferation, and a balance of military power that favors America’s dominant strategic position in the Middle East. - https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/end-american-aid-israel

And this article is actually critical of the degree of aid, and the Memorandum of Understanding:

In return for accepting Obama’s aid package, Israel has now become dangerously reliant on U.S. military technology.

[scottiemom]

"I'm pointing out that no matter what - according to the Holy Scriptures, God is going to fulfill His Eternal Promises to Israel via some massive chastisement by forcing them to run to Him for shelter."

This is an everlasting, irrevocable, eternal covenant made to the Jews. Believers in the Savior, Jesus Christ, know it is truth. He CANNOT lie and the sins of His chosen people are not going to break the covenant. It's "ironclad". My belief, merely a hunch, is that even though I am 73, I will be taken in an event called the rapture before my death. Believing this premise has me also believing the present day Israel IS indeed the group of Jews who will have their hearts softened and be given ears to hear the eternal truth that Jesus Christ IS the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF ALL and recieve Him as the perfect Son of God. It will happen. Praise the Father for what He has done and what He will do.

[Philsworld]

It’s clear enough for anyone to see (divide) that literal Israel is out.

[Philsworld]

——>Matthew 21:43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.”

They won’t ever believe that. It doesn’t fit the Rapture narrative.

[Philsworld]

——>which no SDA has ever done because they reject futurism and Prophecy.

Futurism for sure. It comes from the Papacy, the Antichrist power, AS I’VE CLEARLY DOCUMENTED FROM HISTORY. I reject Futurism (now modern day Rapture doctrine) as did literally every Protestant Reformer and bible scholar at that time, including Sir Isaac Newton. But you’re a lot smarter than he was, right?

SDA’s reject Prophecy? No, only your version of Satan-inspired unbiblical prophecy.

[who knows what evil?]

So much for "I will bless those that bless you."

Interesting...isn't it?

[Flag_This]

"Nations rise and fall, their power and wealth waxes and wans. Modern Israel is no different, though its relatively short history makes it more difficult to prove or disprove your religious theory."

One thing typical nations don't do is get dispersed for 2,000 years, suffer persecution over and over again, remain as an identifiable people and culture, and then return as an independent nation. Conquered people are absorbed and disappear.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Says the demon-possessed Judaizer - laughable....

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Amen, amen and amen!

True believers know it’s an eternal and irrevocable covenant.

Praise Jesus for His Promises!

[wardaddy]

Don’t tell that to dispensation zealots here

I simply did not grow up with this notion in my 1960s Southern Baptist church

We wished best for the Jews (with questions about their historical behavior and treatment )but nobody spoke all this stuff you see here

First time I heard Hagee rail on I was like when did this start

When the Klan mid 60s bombed Beth Israel temple because they associated local mostly Dixiecrat Jews (like most southerners then) with Jewish freedom riders from oberlin etc it caused friction and violence

Anyhow my church took the Jews in to use our sanctuary for services till Beth Israel could be repaired

It was just the right thing there was none of unusual stuff I see now

The big irony I suppose is leftist Jews are no question extremely influential in the attempted takedown of western civilization

Soros and Wyss are right now funding the instantly mobilized shock troops out on campi and streets with anti semitism and anti Israel violence

Yet who do liberal Jews lean on to push back

Why the very people who’s civilization their more radical brethren are working to dismantle

And I’m very much in that club

So am I stupid or just know right from wrong when I see it?

Jews have to make a decision

Israelis and I know Israel from business and life long Israeli pals already know who they can count on here

But domestic lefty Jews have to determine over two fears

Jew hating jihadis

Or the fear right leaning Christian people and culture is not a potential pogrom or final solution every time and needs protecting

Their fear of Christianity is not unfounded

Pogroms were worse than Hamas and the final solution was of course despite hyperbole here

But they have to stop this crap honestly you simply can’t help but notice it

Zionism took root in British Palestine and before than ottoman administerd rather than Europe due to bitter memories

Why don’t we get a homeland ?

Ours is under steady attack for bringing civilization to this planet

Israel also needs to get their babes breeding too btw

They are at risk over that

[JimRed]

Agree - but that window may not be for another generation.

Or another millennium. No one knows except the Father.