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Sometimes the Scripture has double application . . .
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I would observe that The Scripture has MANY applications.
Actually the book of the Apocalypse of St john does seem to have been written before 64 AD.
It seems highly unlikely that anyone other than an apostle could write with such authority to seven different churches in Asia Minor. This is especially true if John the Apostle had authority over the churches in this region at the time, as a well-attested ancient tradition suggests.7 Indeed, who would dare write to John’s churches, overstepping the apostle, to explain how things should be set in order? The Book of Revelation is very different from the other writings of the New Testament. It is the only work of an apocalyptic genre that is in the New Testament. There were other apocalyptic writings, such as the Apocalypse of Peter, in circulation at the time. Yet, only the Apocalypse of John was widely accepted, because it was commonly seen as having apostolic authority. Other apocalyptic works, which were deemed not to have been written by an apostle, were discarded. It is hard to believe, then, that the writer of Revelation, who assumes a position of authority over seven different churches, and who presents himself as one with special authority from the Lord, is not an apostle.
many concepts and ideas found in the Fourth Gospel are also found in the Apocalypse:
—Jesus as the Word (Jn. 1:1, 14; Rev. 19:13)
—Jesus as the Lamb (Jn. 1:29, 36; Rev. 5:6, 8, 12, etc.)
—Christian worship as something done “in the Spirit” (Jn. 4:23; Rev. 1:10)
—Salvation as the gift of “living water” (Jn. 4:14; Rev. 21:6)
—Jesus as the Giver of true manna (Jn. 6:48–50; Rev. 2:17)
—The Mother of Jesus as the Mother of all believers (Jn. 19:26–27; Rev. 12:17)
—The Bridegroom and the Bride (Jn. 3:29; Rev. 19:7, 21:2, 9)
—The call to love not our lives even unto death (Jn. 12:25; Rev. 12:11)
—Satan being “cast out” (Jn. 12:31; Rev. 12:9)
—The Mother of Jesus being called “Woman” (Jn. 2:4; Rev. 12:1, 5) —Jesus as the true temple (Jn. 2:21; Rev. 21:22)
—Christ as Shepherd (Jn. 10:1–16; Rev. 7:17
I thi k it clear that it was the Apostle John
Actually the book of the Apocalypse of St john does seem to have been written before 64 AD.
Those who espouse the view that the Apocalypse was written in the 60s, during the reign of Nero, also have ancient evidence to support their hypothesis.
The Syriac version of the Book of Revelation begins by stating that it was “written in Patmos, to which John was sent by Nero Caesar.”
Also, another Syriac work, The History of John, the Son of Zebedee, asserts that Nero exiled John.11 Since proponents of the variant dates for the writing of the Apocalypse can point to early Church writings to champion their views, other factors must be examined to fix an accurate date.
While Revelation scholars disagree about the date the book was written, there is strong agreement that it was written in a time of persecution (see Rev. 1:9; 2:10; 12:11; 13:15). This is supported in the writings of the Church Fathers. For example, Clement of Alexandria says that John wrote the Apocalypse while on the island of Patmos, where he had been banished by a “tyrant.”
There is another compelling argument for the early dating of the Book of Revelation that can be found in reading the text. The sacred writer conveys a sense of urgency, giving a clear message that Jesus is coming soon. Saint John writes:
—“The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place” (Rev. 1:1).
—“[T]he time is near”(Rev. 1:3).
—“The Lord . . . has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place. And behold, I am coming soon” (Rev. 22:6–7).
—“Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near” (Rev. 22:10).
—“Behold, I am coming soon” (Rev. 22:12).
The slogan of Dispensationalism is, “All Scripture is for us, but it is not all to us, or about us.”
Namely the non biblical idea that “Some parts of Scripture have particularly the Church in view. Other parts belong to the Jews. Therefore, certain sections of the Bible have nothing to do with this present age, but belong to the past and abrogated old dispensation, while other sections concern the future great tribulation, a period which occurs after the Church has departed the earthly scene. Still other portions apply only to the earthly millennial kingdom of Christ.”
This hacking method of interpreting Scripture chops the Bible into such small fragments that the Christian is robbed of much of the promises of God.
The inspired “rightly dividing the Word of truth” (II Tim. 2:15) does not mean we are to dissect the Bible into pieces, making it a sort of crazy-quilt.
Rather it means “to hew a straight line through the Word of truth.” But the line Dispensationalism makes through Scripture is disjointed, slip-knotted, sheep-shanked, strained and broken with many gaps intervening along its shabby, ludicrous length.
That statement “all scripture is profitable “ was written before the gospel of john was written.
What do you describe as scripture and on what basis do you include those books?
Rev 12 was referring to the spread of the Gospel through the Roman empire
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nothing you say has any value worth reading!
Hold on for dear life.
I know it’s hard to let go of this world, but we are closing in on the end.
Somebody has to say it.
Rampant crime and corruption, unbridled sexual behavior and unnatural lust...wars and rumors of wars, Churches and falling away of believers...and a host of other events.
Sounds like the Catholic Church’s history.
If you look at John Wesley’s time, debauchery was at a peak to the point where they tried to kill him for talking about it. Even in the US, slavery and Jim Crow were rampant and supported by the churches. 1985-2005 was probably the peak for the church. Now we are just separating the sheep from the goats.
Could be part of it
Abortion and child trafficking are also worthy of mentioning.
Anybody who thinks these are normal times doesn’t get it and never will.
Good points and thank you for your post!
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Preterists pretending to know Prophecy.
and claiming God has renigged on His promises to Israel
Here is a decent list of events in play as we speak and more coming.
Defining deviancy down
Debt & Trade
False Christs
Rise of the Occult
Satanism
Unemployment
Inflation
Interest Rates
The Economy
Oil Supply/Price
Financial Unrest
Lack of Leadership
Out of control Drug Abuse
Apostasy in the Church
Supernatural events
Lack of Moral Standards
Anti-Christian anything
Crime Rate
Nuclear war threats
Ecumenism
Globalism
Extreme Weather and Earth calamities
Tribulation Temple
Russia (Gog)
Persia (Iran) rising
Global Turmoil
Rise of Liberalism, Communism and Fascism
Mark of the Beast technology
Kings of the East rising
Antichrist coming into the World
Plagues
collapsing Food supply
Failing Education system
Failure of the family
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