The Cult of Mary

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[zucchini bob]

(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

[Elsie]

Lotsa stuff to HEBREWS there...

[Elsie]

Oh you foolish Galatians...

[Elsie]

Hebrews 8:

The New Covenant

[Elsie]

being made with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah,

Golly - Jews!

[Elsie]

Remember, no New Covenant, no heaven.

Sorry; but the LAST book of Bible says, "No name in BoL? - then no heaven."

[Elsie]

The best-known Mary in the Bible is Mary the mother of Jesus.

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Maryam bint Imran (Arabic: مَرْيَم بِنْت عِمْرَان, romanized: Maryam bint ʿImrān, lit. 'Mary, daughter of Imran') is revered in Islam.

The Qur'an refers to her seventy times and explicitly identifies her as the greatest woman to have ever lived.^[1][2][3] 

In the Quran, her story is related in three Meccan surahs (19, 21, 23) and four Medinan surahs (3, 4, 5, 66).

The nineteenth Surah, Maryam, is named after her. The Quran refers to Mary more often than the Bible.^[a][4]

 

Mary in Islam - Wikipedia

[Elsie]

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And standing beside the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, and Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

[Elsie]

"With God, anything is possible..."

"With Rome, anything is possible to slip under the tent flap using the mantle of John 21:25

[Elsie]

What the Church teaches is that Mary's desire for perpetual Virginity...

Mumble... "I wish she had some DESIRE for ME for once!

--Joe_of_Nazareth(Hail Oh Untier of Knots)

[Elsie]

...the earthly, carnal Sexual relations God, as well, gave us.

For ye are yet CARNAL: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not CARNAL, and walk as men?

1 Corinthians 1:1

[Elsie]

It is not a fact. It is an opinion, and not by the original Protestants.

Are the 15 promises made by the apparition supposedly named Mary Fact or Opinion?

[Elsie]

All right you two; neither one of you are going to convince the other, and I'm getting tired of reading along.

It's time to get out of this religion forum and get back to the Vote Buying that Dems/Libs are doing on a MASSIVE scale; namely...

 

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

[Philsworld]

Oh, jeepers, then let me change that: No New Covenant, no BOL, no heaven.

[Philsworld]

——>Sorry; but the LAST book of Bible says, “No name in BoL? - then no heaven.”

The last book also says that those who keep God’s law will be in heaven. You better take a look at the terms of the NEW COVENANT again.

[Elsie]

You better take a look at the terms of the NEW COVENANT again.

I'd ask; but you'd probably say, "You've already been shown."

[Philsworld]

I spoon fed it to you, Elsie, one of the most important biblical concepts. You are out of excuses. The rest is up to you.

[Philsworld]

One would think that a CHRISTIAN, like yourself, would want to know everything there was to know about a covenant (contract) from Christ, literally sealed/ratified with His blood, as He died on the cross. Christ even makes a point to tell us about it when He describes The Last Supper....”For this is My blood of the NEW COVENANT, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Unbelievable denial in the Christian world today. Like rats following the Pied Piper (or Pan, the god of fear, with his pan flute). Denying the New Covenant.

[ealgeone]

Might not convince some to change their minds but we never know who follows these discussions.

The facts presented are correct.

What a person does with this is beyond our control. Perhaps some light is shed on this issue.

[af_vet_1981]

Catholic Answers apologist Jimmy Akin, notes this regarding the books rejected by the early ekklesia. "The heretical books that were written after the first century could be recognized as fakes because of the false doctrine they contained."

What does this mean??

Not what was implied (fact checking is important); he does not mention that book there. I read what Jimmy Akin actually wrote.

Instead he mentions it here:

Perpetual Virginity

Mary’s role as the second Eve also explains the doctrine of her perpetual virginity. The first Adam and the first Eve did not remain virgins but populated the earth, yet the second Adam and the second Eve remained virgins all their lives in order to consecrate themselves to serving God full-time. Thus Jesus never married or had children. He did this so he could consecrate himself to serving God full-time.

In the same way, Mary was consecrated to the full-time service of God. The documents of the early Church, such as the Protoevangelium of James record that she was one of the women who, like the prophetess Anna (Luke 2:36-37), lived celibate lives in the Temple in Jerusalem, serving as full-time prayer warriors — the Old Testament equivalent of contemplative nuns.

This document was written no later than A.D. 120, less than sixty years after the conclusion of Mary’s earthly life and when memories of that life were still vivid in the minds of many.

According to world-renowned patristics scholar, Johannes Quasten: “The principal aim of the whole writing is to prove the perpetual and inviolate virginity of Mary before, in, and after the birth of Christ” (Patrology, 1:120-1).

This document records that Mary’s birth was prophesied, her mother, St. Anne, vowed that she would devote the child to the service of the Lord, like Samuel had been by his mother (1 Sam. 1:11). Mary would thus serve the Lord at the Temple, as women had for centuries (1 Sam. 2:22), and as Anna the prophetess did at the time of Jesus’ birth (Luke 2:36-37). A life of continual, devoted service to the Lord at the Temple meant that Mary was not able to live the ordinary life of a child-rearing mother, and so she was vowed to perpetual virginity. It records:

“And behold, an angel of the Lord stood by [St. Anne], saying, ‘Anne! Anne! The Lord has heard your prayer, and you shall conceive and shall bring forth, and your seed shall be spoken of in all the world.’ And Anne said, ‘As the Lord my God lives, if I beget either male or female, I will bring it as a gift to the Lord my God, and it shall minister to him in the holy things all the days of its life.’ . . . And [from the time she was three] Mary was in the temple of the Lord as if she were a dove that dwelt there” (Protoevangelium of James 4, 7 [A.D. 120]).

But because of considerations of ceremonial cleanliness, it was eventually necessary for Mary, a consecrated ‘virgin of the Lord’ to have a guardian or protector who would respect her vow of virginity. Thus according to the document Joseph, an elderly widower who already had children, was chosen (this also explains why Joseph was apparently dead by the time of Jesus’ adult ministry, since he does not appear during it in the gospels and since Mary is entrusted to John at the crucifixion rather than to her husband Joseph). The document records:

“And when she was twelve years old there was held a council of priests, saying, ‘Behold, Mary has reached the age of twelve years in the temple of the Lord. What then shall we do with her, lest perchance she defile the sanctuary of the Lord?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You stand by the altar of the Lord; go in and pray concerning her, and whatever the Lord shall manifest to you, that also will we do.’ . . . [A]nd he prayed concerning her, and behold, an angel of the Lord stood by him saying, ‘Zechariah! Zechariah! Go out and assemble the widowers of the people and let them bring each his rod, and to whomsoever the Lord shall show a sign, his wife shall she be. . . . And Joseph [was chosen] . . . And the priest said to Joseph, ‘You have been chosen by lot to take into your keeping the Virgin of the Lord.’ But Joseph refused, saying, ‘I have children, and I am an old man, and she is a young girl'” (ibid. 8-9).

Joseph was required to respect Mary’s vow of virginity, and just how seriously he was required to respect it is indicated by the fact that when she was discovered to be with child, he got in trouble with the Temple authorities, who thought he had defiled a virgin of the Lord.

“And Annas the scribe came to him [Joseph] . . . and saw that Mary was with child. And he ran away to the priest and said to him, ‘Joseph, whom you did vouch for, has committed a grievous crime.’ And the priest said, ‘How so?’ And he said, ‘He has defiled the virgin whom he received out of the temple of the Lord and has married her by stealth'” (ibid. 15).

Mary was also accused of having forsaken the Lord by breaking her vow:

“And the priest said, ‘Mary, why have you done this? And why have you brought your soul low and forgotten the Lord your God?’ . . . And she wept bitterly saying, ‘As the Lord my God lives, I am pure before him, and know not man'” (ibid.)

The understanding of this document that the brethren of the Lord were Jesus’ step-brothers (children of Joseph) rather than half-brothers (children of Mary) was the most common one until the time of Jerome, who popularized the idea that they might have been cousins instead, since in Jewish idiom cousins were also referred to as “brethren.”

Most Protestants are unaware of all this, but the Protestant Reformers themselves — Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Ulrich Zwingli — honored the perpetual virginity of Mary and recognized it as the teaching of the Bible, as have more modern Protestants, such as the biblical and patristics scholar J. B. Lightfoot.

And so again we see the doctrine of Mary’s role as the second Eve explaining her perpetual virginity. Just as the first Adam and Eve devoted themselves to procreation for the multiplication of mankind, the second Adam and Eve devoted themselves to virginity for the sake of ministry, so that God’s spiritual blessings might be brought to mankind.

[MurphsLaw]

"With Rome, anything is possible
to slip under the tent flap
using the mantle of John 21:25

Interesting observation...
You would think then,
it would have been be Rome
That would, with anything being able
to slip under the tent,

You would think then that it would be Rome
that keeps splintering into a thousand different denominations,
on and on,
each one saying they have the correct Faith belief,
Disagreeing with each other...
pointing a finger all along...

Funny thing...