The Cult of Mary

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[zucchini bob]

(2 Peter 1:20) Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. (Isaiah 28:10) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: (Isaiah 28:13) But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

[Elsie]

They were required to be sincere.

Like THIS???

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Deconstructing Linus: Portrait of a True Believing Pumpkinist as a Young Man

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What does the Great Pumpkin offer Linus? Why does Linus spend every Halloween in the pumpkin patch, waiting for the Great Pumpkin to appear? Is it about the toys?

"Each year on Halloween night, the Great Pumpkin rises out of the pumpkin patch that he thinks is the most sincere and flies through the air with his pack of toys for all the good little children in the world."

No. This is about sincerity, a subjective standard by any definition.

 

 

I wonder if Linus blames himself every year for not picking the most sincere pumpkin patch for his vigil?

I wonder if other Great Pumpkinists castigate Linus by asserting if he were more in tune with the Spirit of the Great Pumpkin, if he were more prayerful, if he read the Holy Writ of the Great Pumpkin with a greater sincerity, that he could indeed rise to the challenge and, via the Spirit, be lead to choose the most sincere pumpkin patch?

I wonder how many years Linus will feel guilty for this failure and blame himself for receiving no answer no matter how sincere he believes himself to be?

I wonder if Linus ever gets frustrated because there is no objective way to measure sincerity?

And if he realizes there is no objective standard for such a thing, I wonder if it ever creeps into his mind that his annual mission is nothing more than mindless busywork?

I wonder... does Linus ever have doubts?

 

For the time being, however, Linus will put aside his doubts and, perhaps as a means of proving his sincerity, begins to proselyte among his friends for converts. Most shrug him off. But Sally, who has a crush on him, believes Linus and agrees to spend Halloween in Linus' Pumpkin Patch.

Linus then explains that by using positive language and positive thinking, they may be able to attract the Great Pumpkin to their Patch. He also cautions Sally that negative language and negative thinking will cause the Great Pumpkin to pass them by.

There is no room for doubt when one is a Great Pumpkinist. One should never say if the Great Pumpkin comes but always when the Great Pumpkin comes. "One little slip like that, can cause the Great Pumpkin to pass you by!"   It's hard to imagine a benevolent icon such as the Great Pumpkin punishing TBPs (True Believing Pumpkinists) for such a minor infraction, but there you have it.

Sally: The Birth of an Ex-Pumpkinist

Because Sally loves her "sweet baboo" Linus, she sets aside her own Halloween plans of trick-or-treating and a Halloween party in order to spend the evening in the Pumpkin Patch. She converts to Great Pumpkinism because she loves Linus. She respects his opinion. And she wants to make him happy and be supportive. And besides, if it's really true, WOW! Wouldn't that be fantastic?

But in the end, the only Being that shows up in the Pumpkin Patch is Snoopy. Linus, believing Snoopy to be the Great Pumpkin, swoons into an ecstatic faint, happy in the knowledge that he has finally deciphered the Great Pumpkin's standard for sincerity. But, alas, it is a misplaced hope, and when Linus regains consciousness, there is not only no Great Pumpkin there to reward him, there is one upset little girl.

"I was robbed! I spent the whole night waiting for the Great Pumpkin when I could have been out for tricks or treats! Halloween is over and I missed it! You blockhead! You kept me up all night waiting for the Great Pumpkin and all that came was a beagle!"

"I didn't get a chance to go out for tricks or treats! And it was all your fault! I'll sue! What a fool I was. And I could have had candy apples and gum! And cookies and money and all sorts of things! But no, I had to listen to you! You blockhead. What a fool I was. Trick or treats come only once a year. And I missed it by sitting in a pumpkin patch with a blockhead. You owe me restitution!"

                                                                                                               

 

 

Luckily for Sally, she only missed one Halloween. And though she is demanding restitution, because her participation was voluntary, she will never receive said restitution. She'll simply have to accept the experience as one of life's absurdities and move on.

However, one can hope that this experience has made Sally a more skeptical person, so that the next time she is presented with such fantastic claims, she'll perhaps be inclined to do her research before committing any time, money or emotion.

After all, fantastic claims should be supported by fantastic evidence, right?

The question now becomes, has this experience made Linus a skeptic? After yet again not having his Pumpkin Patch recognized as sincere and after having endangered his friendship with Sally, will he continue to believe?

In spite of a complete and utter lack of evidence pointing to the existence of the Great Pumpkin, and a complete and utter lack of the Great Pumpkin's Promise ever having been fulfilled, Linus is a True Believing Pumpkinist to the core. To even admit the possibility that he may be wrong would be to negate all those years of hard work and sincere belief. Linus simply cannot turn his back on his belief.

So if Linus doesn't become an ex-Pumpkinist, what is his strategy? Well, he's going to keep on trying, isn't he?

"What do you mean, 'stupid'? Just wait until next year. I'll find a pumpkin patch, and I'll sit in that pumpkin patch and it'll be a sincere pumpkin patch, and the Great Pumpkin will come! Just you wait and see! I'll sit in that pumpkin patch, and I'll see the Great Pumpkin. Just wait until next year!"

 

 

 

[Elsie]

By the way, how long after Methuselah died, did the Flood begin, when Noah entered the boat that saved all mankind?

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I got the numbers for you; can you do the math??

 

Genesis 5:25-32,   6:8-10,   7:6, 7:11,   8:13-14,     9:28-29

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.
26 And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:
27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:
29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed.
30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:
31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

 6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.

[Elsie]

Ain't the web GREAT!!!

[Elsie]

Did these release Jesus' Brothers and Sisters from the parental honor and respect required for a observant Jew?

Well; if it is true that "...a prophet is without honor in his own home..." then 'giving' His mom to a BELIEVER would be the correct thing to do.

[Elsie]

Would that mean Zebedee had conjugal rights in the deal?

HA!

Like Rome would allow THAT to show up in it's tradition.

[Elsie]

in a 1 hour video,

TL;WW.

[Elsie]

No, Elsie, I did my Christian DUTY of presenting you the truth, in a concise, clear message.

So did the Scripture writers and protectors.

I'll go that way instead; if it's OK with you, that is.

[Elsie]

So; did that really old guy die in the flood?

An answerless question.

Why isn’t GOD more precise?

[jjotto]

https://www.chabad.org/search/keyword_cdo/kid/8327/jewish/Methuselah.htm

…Son of Enoch and grandfather of Noah; a wise and righteous man. He died at age 969 (the longest recorded lifespan in the scriptures), seven days before the Flood...

[Mark17]

Thanks bro. I knew it. Says right there, Methuselah died the same year the Flood began, probably only a few days before it began. I didn’t know, but then I read, in the 3rd letter of Nebuchadnezzar, to the diaspora, that God had told the world that He wouldn’t flood the earth, till Methuselah had died. So, when Methuselah caught a cold, the whole world held its collective breath. 🤔😄😆

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Oh the irony, a guy in a cult claiming to know what is Christian.

[ealgeone]

Why do you worship on Sunday? If God- Breathed Scripture says you must honor the seventh day Sabbath- why aren't you?

7On the first day of the week [that would be Sunday...comment mine], when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. NASB 95

[ealgeone]

Because we love her, as the Mother given us from the Cross. (And, its a good thing for us, none of Jesus' many blood brothers or sisters - not a one - stuck around for the Cross. Wink, wink.) We love her because Christ loved her, even more.

It is believed that none of His brothers or sisters were believing in Him at this point. We do know that James and Jude did later on.

Mary was given exclusively to John's care.

If you look at the Greek behind the passage in question you will see the word for his household means:

2398 ídios (a primitive word, NAS dictionary) – properly, uniquely one's own, peculiar to the individual. 2398 /ídios ("uniquely one's own") is "stronger than the simple possessive pronoun ('own'). This emphatic adjective means 'private, personal' " (WS, 222).

This was not a general gift of Mary to the church as Roman Catholicism falsely claims.

Mary is placed specifically in John's care. He is charged with taking care of her. There are no other disciples there for this to be considered a general giving of Mary to all. Nor does the language recorded in this passage suggest anything other than John was to take care of Mary.

Rome has read something into the passage that is not remotely indicated....as it tends to do in many places.

[ealgeone]

Ever notice, too, that when Catholics find a doctrine they wish to defend with Scripture, they go to great lengths to appeal to the Greek, like with Mary being graced like no one else?

But even there Rome's appeal to the Greek fails as we've demonstrated too many times before.

Roman Catholicism cannot appeal to the Greek for any of their Marian dogmas. Not one.

[ealgeone]

What your Greek friend may have failed to mention is that the Greek Orthodox, indeed there have been millions throughout the centuries for whom Greek was the native tongue, believe that Miriam/Mary was always a virgin.

And that belief, along with most of the marian dogmas, originates in a dicredited book called the Protoevangelium of James.

It is a work that was never considered part of the canon.

It is a work that was clearly rejected by the early church, yet Roman Catholicism has latched on to it to support their false marian dogmas.

That's something the majority of Roman Catholics are not aware of.

[ealgeone]

I understand. However you tried to appeal to a Greek friend as a language authority to support a modern teaching which I then countered by showing that the majority of Orthodox Greek bishops knew the language far better than any of us, and hold to Miriam/Mary being ever virgin.

And we could counter that around a billion Muslims believe certain things about Jesus and Mary....doesn't make it right.

But think about what you just said....mark17 has said his friend is GREEK....he speaks GREEK....and you're saying the majority of Orthodox Greek bishops know/knew the language better??? Doesn't make any sense.

But you kill the argument Roman Catholicism always makes in that it was believed everywhere by everyone that Mary was ever-virgin by claiming the "majority" believed this.

The majority is not everyone. This means it was not believed everywhere by everyone.

Another Roman Catholic argument dismantled....again.

[Trump_Triumphant]

Non canonical writings still reveal what the early Church believed. The Didache is not inspired Scripture but it’s held in very high regard and contains the beliefs of the early Church.

[ealgeone]

Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household. John 19:27 NASB

The text makes it clear of the transaction that has happened.

After Jesus said, Behold, your mother.....the disciple took her into his own household.

The word given doesn't have to be in the text as anyone with an 8th grade reading level can/should understand what has happened in this passage.

[Trump_Triumphant]

Oh the irony,a Seventh Day Adventist claiming that someone is in a cult.

[ealgeone]

The Didache contains false teachings. Just because a document was floating around doesn’t mean we should rely upon it. But the case of fuel Protoevangelium of James is different in that it was rejected by the church as being false.