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To: MurphsLaw
Im not interested in Paul's personal opinion on celibacy either-

That's where we differ. I am interested in his writings. He was for celibacy for him personally. He was thought to be a widower. He was a man of God and God spoke to him. His words have weight. "Every word of God is pure, He is a shield to them that put their trust in Him. Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Prov. 30:5,6.
Though unbeknowst to you Paul advocates FOR celibacy.
How stupid of me to not know this. How exactly brought you to the conclusion I did not know this?
You made a claim that priestly celibacy in his Church is "unbiblical".
No, I made a claim that it is not a requirement of celibacy to become a priest or pastor. God didn't make that a requirement. Man did that. Man made denominations did that. Not God.

34 posted on 07/14/2023 6:40:43 PM PDT by BipolarBob (I called the Tinnitus Helpline and all I heard was ringing.)
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To: BipolarBob

That happens when Jesus gives the leaders of the church the power to bind and loose. And your view that whatever is not mentioned in Scripture is banned is erroneous. If you want to take that view then stop wearing modern clothes, go back to robes and only meet in people’s houses.


35 posted on 07/15/2023 7:01:13 AM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: BipolarBob
That's where we differ. I am interested in his (Paul's) writings.
He was for celibacy for him personally.


I AM interested in Paul's Epistles of course.
His PERSONAL on take on celibacy is not necessary as for the purpose of this discussion.
Because CHRIST has already addressed the issue of celibacy-
(in the "Eunuch" quote you ignored.)
  Christ's words carry much more weight than Paul's.
We read them in The Mass liturgy everyday.
The Epistles in general are important for all Christians- and of course of real interest.
But as YOU agree... when you offered the proverbs quote:

"Every word of God is pure,
He is a shield to them that put their trust in Him.

Jesus Christ tells us celibacy is for a greater good...

Some have made themselves eunuchs
for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.

So WE KNOW how Christ felt about celibacy.
That cannot be ignored.
Would Jesus have a problem with celibate Catholic priests?
I dont think so.. why?

"He who is able to receive this, LET HIM receive it.”

Christ gave his authority to the Apostles to bind and loose for the new Christian converts.
He did not say "bind and loose according to the bible" (which did not exist yet)

Thats how the Jerusalem Council in Acts was able to happen.
That was a MAN made decision. Would Christ disagree with that decision?

You dont have a valid argument to deny the Church's authority to require celibacy of the Priest.
It was originally Christ's idea,
St. Paul mimics his teaching- and the practical advantages in ministry
to commit oneself to a life of serving God is something we should let those receive that gift.


39 posted on 07/15/2023 4:11:38 PM PDT by MurphsLaw ("14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”)
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