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Cardinal: Christians must remain universalists
Catholic Conclave ^ | July 9, 2023 | CathCon

Posted on 07/10/2023 8:04:57 AM PDT by ebb tide

Cardinal: Christians must remain universalists

Cardinal Marx: Church is for everyone - not just for Christians


Cathcon: the Church is for salvation

A church in itself is a heresy: Cardinal Reinhard Marx from Munich emphasizes that Christians must remain universalists. "If we give that up, we haven't lived the core of Christianity."

Munich Cardinal Reinhard Marx often misses seeing the bigger picture in the churches. "A church in itself, that's heresy," in other words false teaching, he said at a conference on political Christianity at the Evangelical Academy in Tutzing over the weekend: "Only one community that says we are there for everyone, only one Church can have political relevance."

The sentence "All people remain brothers and sisters" is central for him, the archbishop continued: "If we give that up, we have not lived the core of Christianity." Christians must remain universalists.

"Painful Process of Self-Assurance"

In view of the many exits, however, the question also arises for the churches: "How can a minority say something for everyone?" The next few decades would be "a very painful process of Christianity's self-assurance". The Cardinal was convinced that the church could also spread its message as a minority. To do this, however, she must be able to make it clear: "The kingdom of God is now!"

Marx spoke at an event in honor of the Protestant regional Bishop Heinrich Bedford-Strohm, who will hand over his office to his successor Christian Kopp in the autumn.

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Cathcon: In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God.  It is a heresy.  Cardinal Marx cannot have been innocent in his use of the word which goes well beyond the sense of charity.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostates; frankenchurch; germans; marx
Bergoglio refused Marx's offer of resignation back in 2021; it's obvious why he did so.
1 posted on 07/10/2023 8:04:57 AM PDT by ebb tide
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Ping


2 posted on 07/10/2023 8:05:52 AM PDT by ebb tide (The pope ... said the church's “catechesis on sex is still in diapers.”)
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To: ebb tide

Uh no. Christians must be true to the Word and not compromise in order to make friends


3 posted on 07/10/2023 8:07:57 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: ebb tide

This was inevitable when Francis changed the dogma of an eternal hell.


4 posted on 07/10/2023 8:10:14 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: ebb tide

Bad translation? Universalism is a specifically condemned heresy. Marx is anathematized. We must HOPE for the salvation of EACH soul, but that’s a very different matter than EXPECTING the salvation of EVERY soul.


5 posted on 07/10/2023 8:11:53 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ebb tide

Bad translation? Universalism is a specifically condemned heresy. Marx is anathematized. We must HOPE for the salvation of EACH soul, but that’s a very different matter than EXPECTING the salvation of EVERY soul.

(I should be more careful: the reason I asked “Bad translation” is because I do NOT know that Marx is anathematized. ONLY if this article properly and successfully communicates to me what Marx supposedly holds would Marx even be potentially anathematized. I merely meant to say that if Marx is heretical on this, his heresy is grand enough that he may be anathematized already by ancient ecumenical counsels.)


6 posted on 07/10/2023 8:17:44 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ebb tide

No, that’s called being worldly. The very thing Christians are not supposed to be, according to Jesus. Because the god of this world is the devil.


7 posted on 07/10/2023 8:19:04 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: dangus

Catholicism means the universal church.


8 posted on 07/10/2023 8:20:52 AM PDT by Jonty30 (If liberals were truth tellers, they'd call themselves literals. )
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To: Jonty30

>> Catholicism means the universal church. <<

Universalism is the heresy that all people will eventually be saved. It is not only a heresy, but an actual sin, “presumption,” which is supposing that we know we are saved no matter what we do. Presumption leads us to abandoning the quest to achieve holiness, disregarding evangelization as unnecessary, and supposing that we can know or control God.

“Catholicism” is universal only in the sense that it exists wherever Christianity exists; the church is not constrained by any geographic boundaries or hidden doctrines.


9 posted on 07/10/2023 8:30:05 AM PDT by dangus
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To: ebb tide

He’s aptly named. I’ll give him that.


10 posted on 07/10/2023 8:32:06 AM PDT by xp38
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To: circlecity
He didn't "change any dogma" and has no authority to do that, if by "change" you mean "deny what was believed before".

His off-the-cuff musings or speeches don't change any dogma. What they reveal about _him_ is another question entirely.

11 posted on 07/10/2023 8:51:31 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Campion

Catholics become Unitarian, this won’t compute in fly-over country.


12 posted on 07/10/2023 9:06:27 AM PDT by Colt1851Navy (What was wrong with Nixon?)
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To: ebb tide

Her Purpleness is wrong.


13 posted on 07/10/2023 9:09:06 AM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Jonty30

Amen 🙏🏻!


14 posted on 07/10/2023 9:10:48 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

You are correct!


15 posted on 07/10/2023 9:11:03 AM PDT by No name given (Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: ebb tide

I’m always amazed to see how many doctrinal denominations exist within the Catholic Church.


16 posted on 07/10/2023 9:56:36 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23 "And THIS is His commandment . . . . ")
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To: Campion

He changed the catechism on the subjects. I understand you don’t accept that nor do I. But by arbitrarily changing long established doctrine he undercuts the authority of the church.


17 posted on 07/10/2023 10:10:31 AM PDT by circlecity
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