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To: metmom
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If you think that God’s plan for Jesus birth would be thwarted because of the cooperation of a mere mortal human being, you all have a pretty weak and impotent god.

Do you stand by your apparent position that God was going to have Mary give birth to Jesus without regard to whether she consented?

450 posted on 07/03/2023 1:26:02 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (The rot of all principle begins with a single compromise.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

It wouldn’t be the first time God did it.

Besides, show me where anyone asked her permission.


453 posted on 07/03/2023 2:04:55 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!)
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To: SauronOfMordor; metmom

God is Sovereign in all circumstances. He can do with His creation as He pleases. See Romans 9 for more on His sovereignty.


454 posted on 07/03/2023 2:14:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SauronOfMordor
Do you stand by your apparent position that God was going to have Mary give birth to Jesus without regard to whether she consented?

There IS no apparent position.

The text is clear on the FACT that the angel TOLD Mary what was going to happen before she ever speaks.

Luke 1:26-38  Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)
 

26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 Who having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.
31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever.
33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end.
 
 
 
 

34 And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?
35 And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shalt come upon thee, and the power of the most High shalt overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shalt be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
36 And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren:
37 Because no word shalt be impossible with God.
38 And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

486 posted on 07/04/2023 3:19:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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