Posted on 07/01/2023 5:39:55 PM PDT by vespa300
Update (June 29, 2023): The Supreme Court ruled unanimously in favor of a Pennsylvania postal worker who lost his job for refusing to take Sunday delivery shifts due to his Christian observance of the Sabbath.
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The SDA members, like all cultists, thrive on the argument, the debate and the conflict.
It is their legalistic mission to create friction in the hope of one convert to their legal system, which seldom is seen.
The fruit of this parasite propaganda bears only one fruit. That fruit is utter conflict.
The fruit of Spirit is love.
You, my brethren who live under the grace of God’s finished work through His Son, I encourage, yes even plead, that you not engage with these who sow division and conflict. Avoid their schemes to entice you into conflict, for God is not the author of confusion.
You will not open the eyes of a brainwashed cult member through this forum. In real life, yes. But these latest SDA propaganda threads are placed to debate you, make you question your faith and are entirely a literature placement type of “works based” salvation credits.
Hold fast to Christ in you in spirit and in Truth.
Luke 23:55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath, according to the commandment.
What I see is Luke going out of his way to tell us that the 7th-day-Sabbath, and the rest of God's 10 commandment law, changes not.
LOL!
Let’s just cut to the chase.
Put down the Bong, and seek help.
It is not.
Like a bunch of FReepers seem to think that web designer issue is about homosexuality.
Also incorrect.
Both cases are about the same principle. This case is about companies not having to pay attention to their employees. As long as we pay them they have to do what we want! Well, no. There are certain things you may not force someone to do even if you offer to pay them.
The web designer case is much the same. Lorie Smith does not have to agree to work for anyone as long as they pay her.
I have a friend who owns a bakery. She is in no way religious but when she was asked to do a rather large order for a child beauty pageant, which she found morally repulsive, she said no. She is not for sale.
That is her right.
Money is not the solution to everything. So the SCOTUS found and so it is.
I find that uplifting.
And find how many people would prefer to weasel rather then stand firmly on their rights to be a bit disheartening.
Gibberish
>>>Put down the Bong, and seek help.>>>>
It’s downright crazy isn’t it? A guy who believes in all 10 commandments. You’re right.....I have to be high. (idiot)
>>>The SDA members, like all cultists, thrive on the argument, the debate and the conflict.>>>>
Well, we actually thrive on what the Bible actually says but yeah, there will some serious unity across all denominations and Rome on common doctrine. Your post is kinda proof of that.
But what about the guy who believes in all 10 commandments while most of you have nailed them to the cross. Isn’t that something. I like this guy.
Have you never had your donkey in a ditch?
Meaning that Scripture records Jews keeping the 7th day Sabbath, as it does in some other texts, as it also records observance of certain purification ordinances and feast days. Thus according to your hermeneutic, all instances of law-keeping in the NT means that all such are commanded. Instead, it remains the only one of the 10 commandments never repeated as enjoining obedience for the NT church (as was the context of my statement) is that of the fourth.
——>Meaning that Scripture records Jews keeping the 7th day Sabbath
Any “Jews” observed keeping the sabbath after Christ’s death, that believed in Jesus Christ as their Savior, weren’t “Jews”. They were “in Christ Jesus”. Same goes for “Gentiles/Greeks”.
Galatians 3:26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
——>Thus according to your hermeneutic, all instances of law-keeping in the NT means that all such are commanded.
Luke makes it clear that the 4th commandment/literal and physical observance of the 7th-day-Sabbath, is a binding moral commandment, even after the death of Christ, making it clear that His 10 commandment law was certainly not nailed to the cross. It stands then, as it does today exactly as written by the finger of preincarnate Jesus Christ.
One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats. It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble. The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
(Romans 14:5-23)
Obviously, I added the emphases.
Vespa -- You seem to be very excited about this SCOTUS ruling. Is your excitement about the USPS employee's observance of the sabbath "filled with righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit" or does it appear more like a "stumbling block or a hindrance" that you are placing in the way of your brothers?
Here is how the chapter starts. You would do well to understand and apply its purpose.
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
(Romans 14:1-4)
On matters like this, we should not divide. They are outside of orthodoxy (core beliefs that define the Christian faith- centered on Jesus Christ and the Gospel). But we are asked to care for the weaker brother - and if we think that we are the stronger, then maybe we should pause... and consider the matter for a while longer. We may have just tripped over our own pride.
As you should know, those Jewish believers without a resurrected Christ did not realize the New Cov. until after the Lords resurrection. Try again.
As clear as mud you mean. The premise that recorded instances of law-keeping in the NT means does not that all such are commanded. Meanwhile,
THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:
1). To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2). Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3). Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4). Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5). Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6). Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7). Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8). False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9). Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times
* see references here *Why is it that the duty to keep the Seventh day as Sabbath [as a command enjoined for believers under the N.C., versus simply recording acting as under the Old] is not mentioned ONCE in the New Testament?
WHEN THE NEW TESTAMENT LISTS SINS, SABBATH BREAKING IS CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT:
In Mark 7:21-22 13 sins are listed. Jesus did not mention breaking the Sabbath.
In Romans 1:29-32 20 sins are listed and not one of them is Sabbath breaking.
In Galatians 5:19-21 a list of 15 sins are given,
In 2 Timothy 3:1-4 there's a list of 18 sins, but not once is Sabbath breaking mentioned!
WHY IS IT THAT NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS IT TAUGHT THAT THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT MUST BE OBSERVED?
-Why is it that nowhere in the New Testament is failure to keep the Sabbath day condemned as sin?
-Why is the fourth commandment itself not repeated even ONCE in the New Testament?
-If the Sabbath keeping is so important for a disciple of Christ, why was it not mentioned in His sermon on the Mount or in ANY of His teachings?
-Why didn't Jesus command Sabbath keeping?
-Why didn't any of the Apostles command Sabbath keeping?
-Why didn't the Jerusalem counsel command Sabbath keeping or condemn Sabbath breaking? (Acts 15)
Some answer that the Jews already knew about the Sabbath so it was taken for granted that they would continue to keep it, but then why were the other nine commandments reiterated? Would they not be taken for granted as well? It would also seem that with so many Gentiles coming into the Church, that if keeping the Sabbath was so important there would be instruction in the New Testament Epistles somewhere concerning it. There are instructions for them concerning morality, ethics, worship, Church order and family lifestyle. Why would something as important as Sabbath keeping be ignored? Circumcision, which predates the Law and the Sabbath commandment was an issue in the New Testament Church and is addressed repeatedly in the New Testament Epistles and by the Jerusalem Counsel.
Sabbath keepers argue that it is the example of Jesus that gives us the reason for keeping the Sabbath. "He kept the Sabbath, so I must keep the Sabbath. Jesus is my example," they say. Well this kind of reasoning is flawed because it only chooses Jesus' Sabbath keeping and rejects the rest of His Jewish lifestyle. Jesus also kept Kosher laws. He kept the Passover, Sukkot, Hanukkah, and worshipped in the temple.
>>>>Vespa — You seem to be very excited about this SCOTUS ruling. Is your excitement about the USPS employee’s observance of the sabbath “filled with righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit” or does it appear more like a “stumbling block or a hindrance” that you are placing in the way of your brothers?>>>>
Uh, I’m excited just to find an Evangelical who actually believes in all 10 commandments. That’s like bizarre these days. And who would have ever thought we’d reach the point where the 10 commandments became a stumbling block.
Kinda like a guy telling his wife......hey, you’re making my adultery a stumbling block. You people funny.
Any “Jews” observed keeping the sabbath after Christ’s death, that believed in Jesus Christ as their Savior, weren’t “Jews”. They were “in Christ Jesus”. Same goes for “Gentiles/Greeks”.
——>As you should know, those Jewish believers without a resurrected Christ did not realize the New Cov. until after the Lords resurrection. Try again.
I said “....AFTER CHRIST’S DEATH, that believed in Jesus Christ AS THEIR SAVIOR. That would certainly include after the resurrection.
——>WHY IS IT THAT NOWHERE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IS IT TAUGHT THAT THE FOURTH COMMANDMENT MUST BE OBSERVED?
I just showed you where it was, in Luke 23.
Can one of God’s commandments be removed from His law, yet the other 9 remain?
>....did not realize the New Cov. until after the Lords resurrection
Whether they REALIZED IT OR NOT, the New Covenant went into effect the moment Christ’s blood sealed it.
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