Posted on 06/23/2023 7:32:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I have followed what is happening in the Church with respect to alleged prophetic words from notable ministers. But what is surprising to me is that most of their prophecies concerning elections have failed woefully.
Is it that their words were not from God, or they were driven by emotions and sentiments? If they did not hear from God, why are they saying that it was God who told them to speak?
This calls for concern as these failed prophesies are bringing shame and reproach to the body of Christ worldwide. Not only are unbelievers mocking us, but this has also adversely affected the faith of believers who genuinely believe the prophecies of many of these ministers.
My country just concluded the 2023 general elections, and there were lots of prophecies that were made in favor of Peter Obi, the presidential candidate of the Labor Party. Many notable men and women of God in Nigeria predicted that Peter Obi would surely win the election. By the end of it, Bola Ahmed Tinubu, under a Muslim-Muslim ticket, was declared the winner. Some followers of these ministers get around this uncomfortable outcome by stating that Obi ultimately won, but the election was somehow stolen by Tinubu.
Now, if this were the case, shouldn’t their prophecies have included this key detail? A detailed prophecy would have saved us from the embarrassment that we are all facing presently. A similar trend happened in the 2020 United States presidential elections. The evangelical community was convinced that Trump had won the elections as well.
We must ask ourselves why these prophecies keep failing. We need an explanation from those who gave these prophecies because one thing is for sure: the Word of God cannot fail! “So is my word that goes out from my mouth: It will not return to me empty but will accomplish what I desire and achieve the purpose for which I sent it” (Isaiah 55:11). Authentic prophecies cannot fail; by definition. People should be careful not to be deceived by the words of men.
Instead of keeping quiet and allowing the name of the Lord to be dragged in the mud, genuine ministers of God who have prophetic unction and have mistaken the voice of God should swallow their pride and apologize for every one of their failed prophecies.
“The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream; ‘And he who has my word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the chaff to the wheat?’ says the LORD” (Jeremiah 23:28). As the United States prepares for its next elections next year, ministers of the Gospel should learn to keep quiet when they have not heard explicitly from God. Silence is more honorable than telling lies knowingly or unknowingly in the name of God.
Oscar Amaechina is the president of Afri-Mission and Evangelism Network, Abuja, Nigeria. His calling is to take the gospel to where no one has neither preached nor heard about Jesus. He is the author of the book Mystery Of The Cross Revealed.
Some do not believe in prophecy and go out of their way to try to disprove it. Do not disparage prophecy as it grieves the Holy Spirit.
They will bloviate whatever they think will bring in the cash.
How do you explain prophesies which don’t come true?
I do agree when it comes to prophecy, if you have not had direct inspiration from God to speak out, do not speak out.
Stick with the condemnation of sin (not the person), doctrine, and the great commission.
Nothing wrong with biblical studies among the faithful trying to understand the Bible’s prophetic messages but I think a line crosses when publically pronouncing them without our Lord’s inspiration.
I lost a friend over these charlatan false prophets including that evil scumbag Kenneth Copeland. I guess people just want to believe they have some sort of special knowledge even if it’s crap.
RE: Some do not believe in prophecy and go out of their way to try to disprove it
Ok, how does one determine in advance if a person prophesying is speaking for God or speaking for himself?
If they are a genuine prophet, they will be correct, always.
IIRC the penalty for false prophets was pretty severe.
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?”
If you aren’t 100 percent right, every time, all the time, you are a false prophet and deserve the deepest, most painful place in hell.
There is no room for error.
“with respect to alleged prophetic words from notable ministers.”
Does notable ministers mean those with the largest internet or TV broadcast following? I see the Swaggarts still have a large following so I does that means they can prophesize.
What “prophecies” are we talking about?
Snake-handlers in Africa proclaiming political victories?
OR....
BIBLICALLY BASED ONES written about in Scripture by men inspired by The Holy Spirit?
There is a massive gulf between the two.
Some folks are even posting Youtube videos about “dreams” and “prophecies” regarding DJT. Don’t believe that garbage.
In the period from the 2020 election all the way to January 2021, prophets were out there in full force, predicting that God was going to intervene and turn the election over to Trump. Yet I don’t think one of them apologized when that did not occur.
A prophet is supposed to be someone who accurately predicts the future. Instead, we have people just claiming to be prophets, claiming that they hear from God, with very little accuracy.
You have touched on a pet peeve of mine, so let me express my opinion (thanks, for that). Here goes...
“Is it that their words were not from God, or they were driven by emotions and sentiments? If they did not hear from God, why are they saying that it was God who told them to speak?”
Mainly because they are false prophets that are raking in millions in donations for telling people what they “want” to hear (itching ears). A lot of the stuff the false prophets are spewing comes straight from QAnon. PsyOps BS. But if they told people the truth about the real state of the nation.... people would be “less inclined” to fork over those $$$ and would, instead, hold onto their money for the coming collapse and end times tribulation.
“...but the election was somehow stolen by Tinubu. Now, if this were the case, shouldn’t their prophecies have included this key detail?”
Yes, since God is omniscient and all-knowing. But they would have you believe otherwise, and that God either changed his mind or that the believers’ faith just wasn’t “strong enough” ....yet. Or that God was waiting for more corruption to be exposed.
It’s the same with the “stolen election” in the USA in 2020. The false prophets all claimed that ‘our enemies are defeated’ and that Trump would win. When he didn’t, they proceeded to claim that Trump would be “reinstated”...according to what God told them. They lied and keep lying because that’s what brings them their cash. Lying grifters, all. And they should be grateful that they are in this century and not back in the days of Moses, where they would be put to death for their blasphemies and leading people astray.
The false prophets would have you believe that God’s word is in constant flux. It is not. Only theirs is. Because they are LYING....in God’s name.
“Some folks are even posting Youtube videos about “dreams” and “prophecies” regarding DJT. Don’t believe that garbage.”
Yes, and some (pink hair) are even claiming that they regularly visit Heaven and all manner of other absurdities that people (that I know personally) actually believe. Some claim to time travel at will...and some claim they can predict the date of the Rapture, and despite being consistently wrong, they still keep predicting it. False prophets and liars in God’s name, all. I suspect that they all will hear those dreadful words “I never knew you” at the appointed time.
I think it notable that the ‘gift’ of prophecy seems to have been a curse as far as how the lives of the GENUINE prophets turned out.
In a way it is kind of an intensified symbolism of being “chosen”- *not* anything a person would desire, but instead a terrible burden and perilous duty.
If there is genuine prophecy today, I doubt it is being done by people in $2000 suits flying around on private jets on their TV shows.
Real prophets are never wrong and seldom if ever tell people what they WANT to hear.
Exactly right. Real prophets told the truth....ie not what people wanted to hear. That’s a clear differentiation from what the false prophets of today are spewing.
The ironic part is.... I would love for them to be right and for their false prophecies to actually occur. But I know the Bible and God’s word and it is NOT what they are spreading. Meanwhile, Satan laughs from the sidelines while millions are deceived and led astray, some losing their faith when these “predictions” don’t come true. Raising false hope can drive people to take their own lives when those hopes come crashing down. It is demonic what these false pastors are doing.
I wonder if your name is “Daniel”, too? Mine is; probably why I find the subject interesting.
Yes, *one* wrong prophecy (as opposed to a warning such as Jonah gave the king of Nineveh) and they are obviously not of God, and thus as Satanic as a human can be for pretending to be so. If they aren’t telling the soi disant Righteous things that cause anger, fear, and pain then they are probably not anything but a shill for Satanm,
There is a difference between a prophecy that hasn’t been fulfilled (sketchy if accompanied by requests for money for a new jet of fancy building IMHO) and one that is stated firmly about a specific incident and that verifiably fails to occur (date of the rapture or end of the world or the outcome of a political struggle, cough cough) which marks one as a tool of the Evil One to deceive and divide (deserving of death by Biblical standards).
That sort of thing. The Bible says what it says, but when you start with the premise that the Bible is exactly predicting what's happening right now, there is a tendency to fool yourself into twisting things to fit.
Historical example: When the British were fighting the Turks at Megiddo during the First World War, some said it was "Armageddon". Which literally means the battle of Megiddo.
"No man knows the day or the hour" isn't just Christ being mysterious. It's a protection against error. A Christian is supposed to behave the same way regardless of what time it is.
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