Posted on 06/19/2023 2:22:45 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
I could engage in name-calling, same as the author of the OP.
I prefer not to do that.
It’s not conducive to intelligent debate or discussion.
I’m not Jesus. Neither is the author of the OP.
The author’s resort to preemptive namecalling tells me what sort of person he is, but tells me nothing about the target(s) thereof.
It seems likely that the author of the OP will continue his misconduct in self-assured self-righteousness. I can’t stop him or those like him.
OTOH, namecalling in place of rational debate and discussion has become distressingly common, even on this forum. I would be remiss if I did not call it out.
That is all I have to say on the topic.
Good evening.
So it has been explained to me. But it has proven to be not such a clear sign as related to the coming of the Lord. As you may recall, most people who were heavy into the novel dispensationalist reckoning of the End Times back in the 1970's and 1980's took this as a sign that the Lord's coming would be within a generation, which they took as 40 years. Since that didn't pan out, they have had to arbitrarily adjust what is meant by "generation". There is no way to definitely look at these Scriptures and interpret them to say, "This news event points to this, and that news event points to that." It is a moving target because only God has any idea. He will let his true believers, the remnant at that time, know. No formulations will be necessary, and there will be no doubt. We are to be ready at all times.
And I never met anyone who believed the rapture would precede the Tribulation who ever thought otherwise.
I fail to see why people who say we need to be ready for the Lord's soon return are consistently being lectured to do the very thing they advocate as if they never thought that way before.
And it's not just you. It's a wide variety of people.
Belief in the rapture does not mean we think it's an excuse to avoid our responsibility to share the gospel and live godly lives.
It’s a fools errand to date set, which I never advocate. We’re to know the season - and I think we’re in that season. Whether it’s days, years, or decades (highly unlikely) is anybody’s guess.
I'm simply responding to a post and giving my opinion. If I'm lecturing, so are you. My point is that you don't need to resort to the novel rapture theory to warn people that the Lord can come at any time. Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again. It's that simple.
Belief in the rapture does not mean we think it's an excuse to avoid our responsibility to share the gospel and live godly lives.
I never said it was. Maybe some people do, but you need to direct your comments at them.
——>Belief in the rapture does not mean we think it’s an excuse to avoid our responsibility to share the gospel and live godly lives.
Why would living a godly life matter to OSAS? You’re going to heaven no matter what kind of life you live, right? 1 microsecond at the decision of grace, then unrepentant sin, sin, sin until you die. Doesn’t matter because you’ve already been judged. OSAS is the best.
Yeah we can’t seem to get past the part that Peter, inspired by the Holy Spirit first used the term “scoffer” and its apropos for this modern day and generation.
And it’s hardly “chest-thumping” to be doing what The Lord asked His Children to do.
You’ve got access to the same knowledge and information that I do - you just choose to ignore and deflect it. I was Roman Catholic for decades and finally decided to do some heavy intellectual study on what The Bible really said after a well meaning Priest gave me a very lazy answer to something I asked.
There are no coincidences with God.
Jeremiah 29:13
You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.
And so I did...
Personally, I believe that we could very well be in the season leading up to the one, definitive Second Coming of the Lord. To me, the big indication is the obvious indicator is that we are experiencing a Great Apostasy that, at this point, shows no sign of reversing. When the Jews start converting to Christ en masse, we are off to the races.
No, it was not *arbitrarily*adjusted.
Scripture gives at least three different time frames that could be a generation.
There is the 40 years.
There is 70-80 years. (Psalm 90:10)
And there is 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
We just don't know which one it is.
There are also some factors surrounding the establishment of Israel and what that means.
Does it mean the entirety of all the land Israel occupied at it's peak?
Does it include the necessity of Jerusalem being the capital of Israel?
These are factors that we do realize leave the timing up in the air. But it does NOT invalidate the theology of the rapture, the taking of the church out of the world to remove the Holy Spirit's restraining power and deliverance from the Tribulation, the purpose of which is to bring Israel as a nation to accept Jesus as her Messiah, and to judge the unrepentant, unbelieving world.
Since the church, the true body of Christ comprised of believers, is neither of those, then there is no reason for them to have to endure THE Tribulation.
I did say *And it’s not just you*.
👍
I’m enthusiastic about The Lord’s Return. I think you are too - may we all be found busy doing His Work.
Peter,the first pope,
was called ‘satan’ by Jesus,
then Denied Christ three Times.
.
We need to get serious about
False teachers and Mockers.
And CULTS.
LOL. It isn't me at all. :)
I don't know if you were around at the time as I was, but in the hey-day of the 1970-80's rapture craze, this was the predominant, unchallenged view. It was only after that 40 year window passed after 1988, that the idea of "generation" had to be readjusted. It continues to be so.
You are exactly right. Amen. Mara natha--Come, Lord Jesus!
I respect your opinion.
scoffer
noun
One who scoffs; one who mocks or derides; a scorner.
If you don’t like the word “scoffer” what would you recommend as the alternative for one who does those things?
I recommend that people learn the difference between “scoffing” and reasoned disagreement.
I further recommend that people refrain from “poisoning the well” by preemptively dismissing disagreement with obvious personal insults.
Deal with the issue, not the person.
It’s part of being an adult ... a rare skill these days.
[Surely at some point, as a modern-day watchman on the wall, you have experienced that sharp smirk or the raising of unbelieving eyebrows as you attempt to explain to a lost friend or family member that the world we now see unfolding before our very eyes is exactly as the Bible said it would be at the end of the age and that the long-awaited return of Jesus to this earth is finally upon us! Perhaps your warnings have even evoked laughter or biting sarcasm, scoffing of a more contentious nature?]
I’ve been trying to explain to someone that life on this planet is about to change dramatically.
She just rolls her eyes and kinda laughs.
She has generally been pretty nice to me, so I take it without much offense.
But the good part is, while she doesn’t believe me right now, she will later.
[and yet believe all the doom and gloom globull warming, green energy, petroleum is destroying the planet, Covid vaxxes are *safe and effective* and any other MSM promoted hysteria that comes across the screen.]
And some of them act like there will actually be zombies.
Incredible.
(by “zombies” I mean other than those who vote Democrat, see disaster, and then vote Democrat again and again; perplexed at why things never improve.)
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