Posted on 03/16/2023 5:51:01 PM PDT by marshmallow
The pope's latest scandalous comments contradict the teachings of the Church Fathers on the existence of Hell.
VATICAN CITY (LifeSiteNews) — In an interview to mark his 10-year anniversary, Pope Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell, saying that “is not a place” but is instead simply “a state of the heart” and “a posture towards life.”
The pontiff’s comments formed part of a lengthy conversation conducted by Argentinian news site Perfil, one of a number of recent interviews the Pope granted journalists to mark his decade upon the papal throne. Touching on a number of topics he discussed with other reporters, Francis also spoke about his philosophical and theological thought, along with aspects relating to global politics.
As part of the in-depth discussion, Francis was asked, “What is your own interpretation of Hell and paradise, and what happens to people who go to Hell, and what happens to those who go to paradise?”
Giving a trademark lengthy, convoluted, and somewhat evasive answer, Francis appeared to deny the existence of Hell as an actual place. “Hell is not a place,” he said. “If one goes to attend the Last Judgment, and sees the faces of those who go to Hell, one gets scared. If you read Dante, you get scared. But these are media representations.”
Expanding on his answer, Francis described Hell simply as “a state” — a description which appeared to refer to a state of mind. “Hell is a state, there are people who live in Hell continuously.”
He clarified that he was not referring to suffering generally, but to “those who make a world of bad or sick self-referentiality, and end up living in Hell.”
Hell is a state, it is a state of the heart, of the soul, of a posture towards life.......
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Why does Mary allow this to happen?
I guess you're the goto fella that will explain to us why Mary has to keep coming back to earth to ADD more teachings into the Catholic faith.
When we PROTs get enough of bad crap coming from our leadership; we get RID of them!
You guys are kinda stuck with what some lower leaders in your organization vote for.
Oh, about 47% of the total number of renters.
You mean there are SPLITS in the Catholic monolith?
How can this be: poor catechism teaching??
Hey ewe!
=o)
You sound like a future Prot.
Don't you know what Catholic teaching is on this subject??
888 Bishops, with priests as co-workers, have as their first task "to preach the Gospel of God to all men," in keeping with the Lord's command.415 They are "heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers" of the apostolic faith "endowed with the authority of Christ."416
889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a "supernatural sense of faith" the People of God, under the guidance of the Church's living Magisterium , "unfailingly adheres to this faith."417
890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium's task to preserve God's people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:
891 "The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals. . . . The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter's successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium ," above all in an Ecumenical Council.418 When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine "for belief as being divinely revealed,"419 and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions "must be adhered to with the obedience of faith."420 This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.421
892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a "definitive manner," they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent"422 which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.
Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]
Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.
Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy
Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy
Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]
Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]
Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]
Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.
So true!
Why do so many Catholics seem to HATE this albatrossian pope?
Judaism has it’s splits as well.
It happens so seldom.
If anyone doesn’t know, Martin Luther was a Catholic priest who wanted to correct RCC abuses from without, since within did not seem to be getting any traction.
The Book Rome assembled should have left out the example of pure Catholic teaching found in the first 3 chapters of Apocalypsis Ioannis.
Sachi looked down and muttered, “If anyone deserves to go to Hell, he does...”
Her mentor sat back and chuckled, “Actually, we all do.”
“We do?”
“Yes. None of us belong in Heaven. Not even a sweet girl like you.”
“Oh. But why not?”
Kikuoka removed his tie, then he put his hands behind his head and looked up. “Because we don’t rate, none of us. We all screw up and fall short. Even Moses messed up near the end of his life, which is why he was not allowed to enter the Promised Land.”
“But sir, I can understand why bad people like Hitler might go to Hell, but why would everyone..”
He interrupted her. “Oh, Hitler is not there.”
“He’s not?”
“No. Nobody is.”
“I don’t understand.”
“It’s because it hasn’t happened yet.”
“What hasn’t?”
“The event that drops us all in there, in Hell. Well, the ones left behind anyway.”
“What event?”
He smiled again. “Ah, now that’s a good question. The Bible is kind of vague about how it is going to happen.”
Sachi leaned forward. “Please sir, I want to know.”
Kikuoka relaxed and put his feet on his desk. “Well, it requires knowledge of Greek and gets technical, so for now let’s just step back a moment. The first thing to understand is that Jesus liked to use very strong language when talking about God, very vivid imagery. He’d say things like ‘Why do you pay no attention to the plank in your eye?’ [Mt 7:3, Lk 6:41] and ‘You blind guides! You strain out a gnat, but swallow a camel!’ [Mt 23:24] He did the same thing when talking about Hell: ‘If your eye makes you stumble, pluck it out’ or else be ‘thrown into Hell [Gehenna], the unquenchable fire.’ [Mk 9:47-48] That’s strong stuff.”
“But He also chose his words very carefully. You see, back then everybody in Jerusalem knew what that Gehenna (Hebrew: Gehinnom) meant. It was a real place, a garbage dump that was right outside of town. It was a large depression just outside the city walls where the people tossed out their trash, and it fell and accumulated in the valley below. For hundreds of years all that garbage accumulated in thick layers of decaying organic matter that decomposed into methane gas. From the wall of Jerusalem you could look down and literally see all these little fires burning all over that valley, and those fires really were unquenchable. You can still see those fires today at big municipal garbage dumps, where pipes are stuck into the ground to burn off the methane gas.”
“So, you are saying that Hell is like a garbage dump?”
“That’s His metaphor, not mine. You see, it’s the default place where everything ends up. God’s junk pile. It’s separation, isolation. I think that Jesus is using really strong language to literally put the fear of God in you. He is warning you that you really, really, really do not want to end up in that garbage pile.”
“But where is it? And why aren’t we there yet?”
“Oh, we’re there all right. Right now. You and me. Everybody.”
“Now I am really confused...”
“Sorry. You see, I think we’re standing on it. The Bible says that Jesus comes back, and a bunch of bad things happen, then finally the Earth gets destroyed [Mt 24:35, Mk 13:31, Lk 21:33]. We don’t know how exactly, but in my opinion the easiest way is with an asteroid - and not a particularly big one - a rock only 120 miles wide is enough to boil the seas [2 Pe 3:7] and melt the Earth’s crust entirely away [Rev 21:1].”
“And then we all fall in? Plop, just like that?”
“That’s just my hunch, based on the original text - you would have to dig into the Greek translation of `cast’ versus `drop’ among other things - but the point is that it’s inevitable. All we need to do is to simply sit on our collective butts and do nothing. Sooner or later, whether you are alive or in your grave, eventually all that exists in this sad world, you, me, and everything else that remains on Earth will fall into that burning cauldron of unquenchable magma.”
“It sounds so depressing..”
He made a small smile. “Well, I could go on to explain thermodynamic entropy and how it will eventually make the whole universe run down, and really depress you, but I won’t. Look, just don’t get hung up about it. The key thing to remember is that God loves us and wants a relationship with us.”
She looked down. “If He does, I don’t feel it.”
He put his hand on her shoulder. “It’s hard for you. I understand.”
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