Galatians 5:15
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Posted on 02/26/2023 11:29:26 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
Is Asbury a True Revival?
Originally written over 6 years ago, I felt compelled to bring this article out once again. The deception and heretical movements of these end times are so far from the truth of the Word of God, it makes a person wonder how the followers can be so deceived and gullible.
But wonder as we may, Jesus did warn about the coming deception:
“And Jesus answered and said to them: ‘Take heed that no one deceives you'” (Matthew 24:4).
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand” (Matthew 24:23-25).
At the end of this piece, I will address the Asbury “Revival,” not with my own words but with the words of a solid brother in Christ who is also a gifted writer.
Here is the original article from 2017:
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables” (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
As I look around today, I see this passage of Scripture so clearly coming to pass. Perhaps there have always been many with itching ears, but I think that it is much worse in these last days. Are these people truly saved? How can they be so deceived? Did they attempt to come to God via the well-traveled road and very wide gate that God warns us to avoid? How can someone who has the Holy Spirit living within them want their ears to be tickled with heresies? Where is the discernment?
It makes no sense.
When I was drawn by the Lord in 1983, it was a powerful and supernatural event. I had searched for the truth about God for most of my life. On that unforgettable night, He opened my eyes and my heart, and I remember saying to the person sharing salvation with me, “This is it. It’s so clear to me now!”
I am not saying that we all have to have a dramatic two-feet-off-the-floor experience. But I do believe that it should be a memorable time when a person finally realizes that he/she is a wretched sinner – unable to save themselves and that God is HOLY, and HE does the saving.
Our Need for the Word of God
Another thing I remember is that I could not get enough of His Word. I would forget to eat food because I was immersed in His Word and could hardly break away from it. I was told to start with the Gospel of John, and I did. Then I went through all four gospels. His Holy Word became the most important thing in my life.
I knew that when I went to church, I should be hearing about sin and repentance. It was ALL about Jesus and Him crucified and the love that sent Him to that cross. I yearned to hear a preacher open up the Word to me in a deeper way. The couple who had led me to the Lord was charismatic, so I went to my first church with them.
Where Was Preaching About Sin and Repentance?
I was brand new in Christ, but I still knew that the sermons I was hearing were leaving me empty. One Sunday night, I saw Charles Stanley preaching on TV, and I considered him a gift from Jesus at that time of my walk with Him. When he preached, he backed everything up with Scripture. He spoke of sin and repenting and growing in Christ. I considered him to be my pastor in those early years.
Wolves in the Pulpit
The heretical pastors with mega-churches need itching ears to stay in business. I call it a business because that is what it is. When I see Joel Osteen and his lovely wife (she is pretty) standing up in front of 30,000 fans, telling them that God just wants them to be happy, happy, happy – it makes me sad, and it makes me sick.
WHERE does it say in God’s Word that He just wants us to be happy? But the tithes are paid and the ears tickled, and everyone seems satisfied. But my Bible says that we will also have tribulation in this life (John 16:33).
The Word of Faith preachers love the itching ears. They preach that if their members will give sacrificially, God will surely pour out financial blessings upon them – two and threefold. So the little old lady who is on Medicare gives Kenneth Copeland her last twenty dollars and goes without food for a week – but she is still waiting for that magical payment from heaven. It makes me want to SCREAM!
Are these people saved but extremely shallow and immature? Or is it possible that they never were saved in the first place? I can’t make that call, but it distresses me greatly to watch people who name the name of Jesus as their Savior following after false teachers who preach a different gospel.
I do know that the false teachers will be judged harshly.
James 3:1 clearly states it:
“My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.”
Be a Berean:
“And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” (Acts 17:10-11).
I pray that many eyes will be opened to the truth of the Word of God and that they will see that they are being taught heresies.
WAKE UP!
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Let’s take a look at the “Revival at Asbury Church.”
Some are saying that this is indeed a revival sent by God. Some are being cautious and are taking a ‘Wait and see’ stance.
Others are declaring that this is not a true revival sent by God, that it was orchestrated by men and women. They are saying that there are many Biblical truths that are being ignored, i.e., Repentance and declaring that Salvation is only attained by trusting in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Instead of me writing about my take on this – I have decided to post a most eloquent and comprehensive writing from a brother in Christ. John Haller shared this today on his Bible Prophecy Update. I decided that I would present this brother’s writing and let the readers ask the Lord to open their eyes to the truth about Asbury church.
Is the Asbury Revival a Real Revival? by Samuel Sey
Fromslowtowrite.com I’ve been to more “revivals” than I can count. I grew up in churches where “revivals” were the norm, not the exception.
I actually became a Christian during a “revival” at a youth retreat. After a weekend of preaching, “prophecies,” prayers, and “casting out demons,” most of the people at the youth retreat accepted the altar call, repeated the sinner’s prayer, and made professions of faith in Christ.
Within weeks, however, the vast majority of the people who professed faith in Christ had returned to unrepentant sin. So I’ve seen firsthand how emphasis on “revivals” instead of repentance harms so many.
It’s with that in mind and the authority of the Bible that I hesitate to call what is happening at Asbury University a “revival.”
That hesitancy, however, is offensive to people who seem to think it’s Satan, not God, who said:
“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1-2).
Over the past week, seemingly anyone who shares any caution or concern over some of what’s happening at Asbury University is immediately labeled a “Pharisee,” a “Doubting Thomas,” a blasphemer, and other silly accusations by people who hypocritically attack their brothers and sisters in the name of defending brothers and sisters at Asbury University.
In some ways, just as woke Christians weaponized the George Floyd incident to pressure some Christians into accepting their definition of racism—some Charismatic Christians are trying to weaponize the Asbury “revival” to pressure others into accepting their definition of a revival.
But whether it’s Charismatic Christians or woke people—anyone who demands only submission or silence on their opinions over debatable issues isn’t operating in love.
Love does not insist on its own way. Godly people try to persuade others who disagree with them. Ungodly people, however, try to pressure others who disagree with them.
Nevertheless, the Asbury “revival” started after a 10 am chapel service last week, Wednesday, when a group of about 20 students and the worship team said they felt prompted by the Holy Spirit to continue worship past the end of the chapel service.
According to one of the students I talked to, a few hours later, the president of the seminary sent an email to the students encouraging them to visit the chapel to join the 20 students on what he described as an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Apparently, 200 students arrived for worship at the chapel soon after, and there has been non-stop worship ever since.
The student maintains the “revival” wasn’t planned. But it’s worth noting that Asbury University is part of what is known as the revivalist movement—a group of Charismatic Christians who consistently attempt to produce revivals.
This is why the university’s website says:
“Asbury University has been known through the years for its history of great revivals. There have been several occasions when significant moves of the Holy Spirit have swept the campus and reached across the nation.”
In fact, besides this current “revival,” Asbury claims they’ve had 8 revivals.
I’ve talked to current students, recent graduates, and several people who’ve visited the chapel to experience the “revival,” and there are unquestionably several reasons why we should be concerned.
Though one student says the gospel has been consistently and explicitly preached since the beginning of the “revival,” others contradict that claim. In fact, one former student who was at the chapel this week told me he rarely, if ever, heard a clear presentation of the gospel at the school.
Another student said: “Attending the few chapels I have at seminary, apart from one [or] two chapels that preach a biblical message of repentance, it’s always been about ‘being who you are’ and God loving you ‘as you are.’ There are a lot of messages that are about being ‘true to yourself.'”
I’ve watched hundreds of videos of the “revival,” and I still haven’t seen any clips showing a clear preaching of the gospel. Of course, that isn’t evidence that people aren’t preaching the gospel.
Still, progressive Christians like Tim Whitaker at The New Evangelicals have essentially endorsed the “revival” after his visits to the chapel this week. Moreover, he says LGBTQ students at the school told him the university protects them from “conversion therapy.” According to Whitaker, the LGBTQ students who were “worshipping” at the chapel also say they’re especially hopeful the “revival” will create (progressive) change at the school.
That lines up with what one student said to me: “Unfortunately, I have first-account experience and conversations with people who are attending and speaking on the ‘greatness’ of revival who are actively living in sin (to be blunt).”
Furthermore, some of the preachers at the chapel are women. And there are also several people “prophesying,” speaking in tongues, “casting out demons,” and “faith healing” at the chapel.
So with that said, is the Asbury “revival” a real revival?
Because of the seemingly little or no gospel preaching, the female pastors, [and] the disorderly and charismatic chaos, I’m inclined to say “no.”
But in a sense, whether I think it’s a revival or not doesn’t really matter, anyway. The word “revival” isn’t a biblical term.
Watch out for deception - that’s all I’m saying.
These days it’s everywhere, even purported “christians” on this very thread are spewing it.
Pathetic and sad to be honest!
Excellent question. Bookmark these resources.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-repentance.html
Here is the best series on it:
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/repentance
Here is the simplest object lesson in a short video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OChOgd3mX0o
You’re right about deception everywhere, Brother, and I appreciate the caution. I know a lot of people can see my blind spots, so thank you.
And it’s going to get so much worse that we can’t fathom it.
Psalm 22
“My God my God why hast thou forsaken me?”
David and Jesus knew. I know. How about you?
Your response lacks what I asked you to give, and that is for a definition in a few words.
But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel. Phil.1:17
Sounds like your difference is with the apostle Paul!
I think not, Your partial citation as follows:
We are called to defend the faith, once delivered to the saints, . . .
is taken from Jude verse 3 (AV)>:
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."Show me that anywhere Paul declares that The Faith cannot stand on its own feet. Paul said that he was set for the defense of the Gospel, not The Faith.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Bible says in 2 Peter 3:15, “always be ready to give a defense of the faith that is in you.”
Our faith and the gospel are one in the same ...our faith is based on the gospel message and in the gospel message.
I’m not sure how that escapes you but since you want to get personal about this. You proved my point. Your argument is with the scripture and your own misunderstandings.
Is that the speakers fault; or the hearers??
That Judas fella that hung around with Jesus didn't seem to get the message either.
9 Whoever has ears, let them hear.”
10 The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?”
11 He replied, “Because the knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12 Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them. 13 This is why I speak to them in parables:
“Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand.
14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
“‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.’[a]
16 But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17 For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous people longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Galatians 5:15
But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
"Go tell John...
Kinda like Judas did when actually GOD Himself was taken away from the disciples by force?
Some folks would complain about an ass delivering a message.
You make Joseph Smith etal cry.
When He returns, will He find faith on the earth?
Heck, Jesus had to deal with one out of twelve!
And out of the eleven, even one of them swore up and down that he never knew Him!
Chapter 13 verse 15
Among many people yes. Among the church establishment, not so much.
There are four gospels other than the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ as found in the New testament. Plus there are twelve definable variations of Gospel ofThe Lord Jesus Christ.
And "the faith which is in you" is the sense of confidence, the degree of persuasion, the conviction in the Person and Works of God in Christ, an example of which is discussed in Romans 4:20-21 and the immediate context, not a listing of the articles of The Faith as might be issued by an assembly of believers, such as that to which you and I were referring in previous posts.
Each of us ought to be able to defend our sense of certainty, our irrevocable trust in the person of God-Incarnate in the Living Christ; but we need to contend for the preeminence of the unchangeable articles of the system of belief that guides the behavior of a person and of any local assembly of which Lord Jesus Christ is the Head and His Spirit the Guide.
Caution would be what I’d advise here.
I can easily get suckered into it too - pray for Wisdom and for The Holy Spirit to guide.
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