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What is the problem Jews have with Jesus; that they had him killed and he rose three days later?

There was a NYC FReeper who about 2 years ago stated that if anyone spoke of Jesus in his temple, they would beat that person up before physically throwing him out.

That Mods killed that thread when he went ballistic after several (including me) questioned him.

7 posted on 12/23/2022 7:31:27 PM PST by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: Deaf Smith

“ What is the problem Jews have with Jesus; that they had him killed and he rose three days later?”
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We killed him? Meaning those alive now, nearly 2,000 years later? I don’t think so.

The problem that Jews have with worshipping Jesus is that: a) we worship God, and ONLY God - to worship anyone or any thing else (including the Messiah, whenever he may come) is blasphemy because it goes against His word. Thus, even if Jesus was the Messiah, to worship him would be forbidden; and b) he wasn’t the Messiah anyway - he met NONE of the requirements, not just as to his heritage, but also because he didn’t accomplish any of the deeds that the Messiah is supposed to do. Where was the ingathering of the exiles? Where was world peace? Where was the immediate and universal recognition of the Gid of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as the one and only God of Creation? He’s batting 0.000 - and don’t tell me about do-overs, because that’s a complete cop-out.

Take a look at this short video, and you’ll understand why the Jews don’t believe in Jesus as being special: https://youtu.be/fSDytNu73Hg


60 posted on 12/23/2022 10:22:09 PM PST by Ancesthntr (“The right to buy weapons is the right to be free.” ― A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Deaf Smith

I was studying Hebrew for three years in a local synagogue and started studying Torah with then on shabbos despite being a Christian. At times I brought up interesting facts on Abraham and Isaac, Joseph...unique views of Jesus, without saying His name...three years hinting and expounding on Messiah in the Torah and one day, one morning and woman gave me the ultimatum,”No one likes you here. You are not welcome here.”

The rabbi wanted to know who said it...wanted to get names. I stated there are hostile Jews who are blinded by their own scriptures about Messiah.


61 posted on 12/23/2022 11:45:49 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: Deaf Smith

I would point out that it is rabbinical Judaism.

After Jesus rose to heaven, there were multiple jewish 2nd temple sects
1. Sadduccees, took only the 5 books of moses and the prophets and rejected the oral Torah (the basis of the Talmud)
2. Pharisees who took the Oral Torah with its detailed Sabbath rules (the written basically just says keep the Sabbath holy)
3. Samaritans who rejected the prophets and kept their own version of the written pentateuch
4. Essenes
5. Jesus movement Jews
6.. zealots

Afte3 the destruction of the temple, only the Jesus movement Jews had a “way out”.

Namely they pointed out that Jesus had prophesied the destruction of the temple in his Olivet discourse, that it was the fulfillment of Daniel’s vision and the 70 weeks had come to an end with Jesus triumphant. And that it was exactly as John’s vision in the book of Revelation spoke of. That book was written in 64 AD.

The Pharisees reinvented themselves without the temple or priests, replacing them with synagogues and rabbis. This was done at the council of Jamnia in 70 AD by Rabbi Yohannan bin Zakkai. This was the start of rabbinical Judaism, or what we simply call Judaism now.

So strangely enough, Judaism of today is actually about 40 years younger than christianity.

The Talmud was finished only in the 8th century and had influenced on and was influenced by Islamic writers creating the Quran, Hadiths and Sirah in the 8th and 9th centuries


62 posted on 12/24/2022 12:32:38 AM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Deaf Smith

He claimed to be God incarnate…..

That was consider blasphemous. He was gathering a followers. That was considered dangerous


71 posted on 12/24/2022 2:24:49 AM PST by Nifster (OI see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Deaf Smith; Nifster

Great questions, and I saw Nifster responded with a great post.

I would add that the Jewish Scholars at the time save but a handful were not even looking for a Messiah and had no idea of the timing of His arrival.

When John the Baptist came onto the scene this started to spark their curiosity as the crowds that followed him were massive. He paved the way (Mark 1:1-9).

Rabbis were so strung out about the law that they unwittingly broke it in multiple aspects. Which was why Jesus really gave them fits about their behavior.

Jesus Derangement Syndrome exists today not just among Jews, but most everybody else who hates the idea of sin, a Sovereign God who demands Righteousness & Repentance, fallen mankind, and everything else that goes with those problems since Jesus solves them all.

When Jesus said this “Before Abraham was I Am” (Story in John 8:48-59), that was probably the last straw and they decided to end Him once and for all. He equated Himself with God. We know He is though as Scripture testifies to it (John 1 and the entire book of Hebrews).

Some of the same Pharisees who had him killed undoubtedly saw Him after His resurrection - imagine their shock/disbelief?


81 posted on 12/24/2022 7:42:13 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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