Posted on 12/05/2022 7:17:08 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal
I see. I made a mistake in understanding your post.
The law was not given as a blessing, it was given to illustrate just how short eh Hebrews would fall if they sought to be as righteous as God requires. The ten commandments define the righteous, perfect character of God, a goal even Peter at the first church council (Acts 15) said we cannot meet. Perhaps it is you who is somewhat clueless, del.
I agree that there is plenty of fault to be found in the Body of Christ, especially in these last days..
So the question comes down to which is the right path to follow.
In these last days, the church can mostly be viewed as either the Laidician (Luke warm) church, or the Philadelphian church (the overcome church, overcome by the Blood of the Lamb, a remnant)
Yes, there are many off chutes to that branch which has been grafted in. (Much can be learned from chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation.)
We, as Gentiles (saved by Grace) are under the Gospel revealed through the Apostle Paul and given to us.
Yes, I agree, no flesh is justified by the works of the Law. For the Law is Holy, but we are incapable of upholding the Law.
When Jesus was asked, which is the greatest Commandment?
Matthew 22:
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets
I think we can all agree to this framework. However, we as Gentiles were never given the Law, nor placed under the Law.
Reference:
Revelation 3:7-13
The Philadelphian church
(The overcomers-a remant)
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Revelation 3:14-22
The Laodicean church
(The modern day Luke warm church)
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, [a]though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their [b]hearts;
MGHinTN,
It must be a real blow to find out the Eternal Covenant Law given to Physical Israel after being delivered from bondage of slavery by the Passover Lamb is the Exact Same Eternal Covenant Law given to Spiritual Israel..
Even confirmed in The King’s Parable of the Sower.
It’s confirmed with the Old Covenant Prophets, too.
Not a lawless, marked by disobedience, Covenant.
But a lawful, sign/seal of obedience, Covenant
No longer written on stone but on hearts..
Which is exactly what the 100 number represents in the Old and New Covenant journey..
Thanks to Israel’s first 100 days in the wilderness after Passover.
Maybe that’s the problem.
Nothing happens 30,60,100 days after false goddess good Frigg day in scripture.
It all starts with Passover. And His Blood. Not the Old Covenant, but the New..
Same Law. Different place. Minds and hearts.
That precept was given to Old Covenant Israel through the Prophets..
Maybe the problem is that Pope Christianity follows the false goddess godd Frigg day lamb, and not The Passover Lamb, like the first disciples.
Like Pope Christianity has a false lamb and false gospel.
So lawlessness is in its nature. Whoredom is in its nature
2,000 years of demon possessed swine and pecks of leaven sure does leaven the whole bunch..
Mother and harlot daughters, thousands of them, hardest hit..
But take heart.
Islam and Judaism doesn’t follow Truth either.
They enjoy Pope Christianity and it’s false doctrines to their blindness..
Blind leading blind..
Another biblical precept that can apply to Spiritual Israel, too..
Isn’t Amazing Grace an Amazing thing.
All the corruption, leaven,false doctrines, in the Church, as well as the world, ends at some point..
For the sake of unbelieving, enslaved Israel.
Corruption that came about, through Satan,and the Church that has led them to believe in inherited lies..
Amazing Grace indeed!
Not sure the Church should be peacocking around like it knows the Truth..
Daughters vs daughters especially.
It looks bad when they all follow the Pope at the end of the day..
Yes, next?
Amen
Who is he that overcomes the world , but he that believes Jesus is the Son of God (1John 5)
...for I know in whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have entrusted to Him against that day(2 Tim 1:12)
Now unto Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy... (Jude 1:24)
Agree, however Can you expound on the following.
“Not sure the Church should be peacocking around like it knows the Truth..”
Because the “Truth” is Jesus Christ and His Finished Work. I would hope Christians (true Christians) know this Truth.
Amen Brother, He alone is our Rock and our Fortress, our Deliverer and our Strength, our Buckler and the Horn of our Salvation.
In Him will we Trust! Not only on the hills, but also in the valley.
I’d put it like this,
December 25 birth
January 1 circumcision
February 2 presentation in temple
Isn’t Truth.. It’s Pope Christianity, but not Truth.
Thanks to His scriptures. And His Creation..
False goddess Frigg day
Holy false god Saturn day
False god Sun day
Isn’t Truth.. It’s Pope Christianity, but not Truth, according to His scriptures.
Passover
Unleavened Bread
First Fruits
Is Truth, in accordance with the Scriptures.
So is
New Moon Day birth
7th Day Sabbath circumcision
Day of Atonement presentation in the temple, according to His Creation and His Scripture.
There are competing versions of Jesus in the end times.
Not sure the Church is aware of that..
Not sure it really wants to do that much testing and proving of its core doctrines and traditions.
Satan deceiving the whole world.
The Church thinks that happens when it leaves..
It can be argued it happens today because it is still here..
So your saying the New Testament church is false because “some” have chosen to mix with paganism?
But the true New Testament church should be honoring Old Testament Holy Days and sacrifices?
Del, I think more and more people are coming out of Popish false doctrine, thanks to the Internet. More people are reading the Bible for themselves and figuring out they’ve been misled and lied to. I thank God for it, too.
Quote:
“7th Day Sabbath circumcision”
What sayeth the NEW Testement Scriptures?
Galatians 5
King James Version
5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.
11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.
12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
As for the pope church, I’ve never been a part of it, nor was I raised in it. As a matter of fact I belong to no denomination, I am Christ’s!
Who paid my the price for sin, and bought me with His Blood.
I’m saying the doctrines of the birth, circumcision and presentation in the temple are not according to scripture.
They are according to the Roman Church and its Pope calendar.
Same for the doctrines of the death, burial and resurrection are not according to scripture.
They are according to the Roman Church and its Pope calendar.
The Church sells another Jesus and another 1st/chief importance of the gospel than Paul and the scriptures.
That version is at odds with the Truth.
That version is a counterfeit to Truth.
But until His Kingdom Comes, the Truth that Daniel’s 4th Beast sells.
There is gold, refined by fire, that one can buy.
But it’s not going to start with Roman lies like December 25 and Good Friday..
It’ll start with scripture patterns, like the New Moon Day, 24 work days, 4 Sabbath Days, found with scripture like Ezekiel 46.
Every month.
With the 14th Day, Passover, in the middle, and always His 6th work day.
And sometimes, like this month, it’ll appear to float around the Roman Beast and Pope calendar.
Like it does tomorrow.
Tomorrow is the day, once a month, the Father commemorates His Son, the Passover Lamb, finishing His Work. Then Resting from all His Work on the Sabbath. (14th Day)
So, this Pope month, Friday is the Father’s 7th Day Sabbath (15th day)
That’s bad news for Judaism and Christianity..
Neither of them have the Truth.
And to boot, Saturday is going to be the 1st work day (16th) and the commemoration of His Resurrection this month..
Satan has a version that counterfeits Truth.
And with it, has Islam, Judaism, and Christianity wandering after a Beast in the end of about 2,000 years.
And frankly,until His Kingdom comes, Satan deceives the whole world..
Tomorrow is Thor’s Day.
Or Tomorrow is His 6th Day, the 14th Day, the Lamb standing middle of His month, surrounded by the elders and the Beasts, like the 24 work days and 4 Sabbaths every month.
And the New Moon Day that, according to scripture, isn’t one of His 6 work days or Sabbath..
A day that seems to point to the Beginning. Like Genesis 1:1. And John 1:1.
Before Let there be Light’.. and with the sign in Revelation, a Day that commemorates John 1:14 every month.
Satan hides that day. Every month.
Satan is allowed to deceive the whole world, even in the Kingdom of heaven on earth, the Church.
In the Kingdom to Come, that won’t happen.
But until His Kingdom comes, Satan is allowed to deceive.
Even, and especially, in religion.
Thankfully Satan and his lies have an end.
But that means religion as currently configured, and the world has to have their end..
Satan’s version of Truth
December 25, a holy day
January 1 , a holy day
February 2, a holy day
Vs.
New Moon Day, a holy day
7th Day Sabbath, a holy day
Day of Atonement, a holy day
One of those is according to Daniel’s 4th Beast and the Beast’s calendar, named after a Pope, an office that was labeled Antichrist in the 1500s.
One of those is according to Creation and Scriptures, like Ezekiel 46:1, Revelation 12, Luke 2..
The Pope doesn’t get His season of birth right, tested with Creation and Scriptures.
strike 1,2,3 for His birth.
Good Friday
Holy Saturday
Easter Sunday
Vs
Passover(14th)
Unleavened Bread (15th)
First Fruits (16th)
One of those is according to Daniel’s 4th Beast and the Beast’s calendar, named after a Pope, an office that was labeled Antichrist in the 1500s.
One of those is according to the Scriptures, like Exodus 1, 2Leviticus 23, and 1 Corinthians
Paul’s 1st importance of the gospel..
The Passover Lamb died for our sins,in accordance with the scriptures, was buried, and raised the 3rd Day, from Passover, in accordance with the scriptures.
Paul:
Christ, our Passover Lamb (14th day)
Christ, the Unleavened Bread of Sincerity and Truth(15th day)
Christ, the First Fruits (16th day) of those who have fallen asleep.
See the difference?
Most don’t. Most can’t.
Most won’t
Yet, His Grace is Amazing indeed!
I agree that roman catholicism has severely perverted the Gospel, and the harlot also has many daughters.
That being said however, I don’t consider roman catholicism to be of Christian faith according to Truth.
But I understand your point.
Paul said it best:
Galatians 1:8-10
King James Version
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
——>What I have been looking for from you is some formulation of what YOU believe without posting what the SDA believe...
I just happen to be SDA, so that would explain linking to SDA material. I also link to many non SDA sites. Your memory is so bad that you may not recall. You need to take something for your memory.
What Claire is asking for is for you to describe your beliefs in your own words--without any links.
——>You then turn around and expect us to act like cultists, too, and just accept whatever the SDA come up with.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I already know that MOST of the false, satanic, PTR doctrine OSAS/OJAJ crowd will never accept the truth, until it’s too late for them. They will lose their salvation. That’s pretty much a given. Those who willfully/unrepentantly break God’s law and teach that to others, will not enter heaven. They should expect to hear something similar to “You chose poorly” at the judgment. They will bend their knee and bow their head, knowing that Satan fooled them. Too late for them. But on the other hand, there may be a few who come to understand the truth, with the help of the Holy Spirt.
——>What Claire is asking for is for you to describe your beliefs in your own words—without any links.
Dude, why don’t you just pour over the last 11 years of my posts? Go for it. There’s plenty of nothing but my thoughts/opinions.
And if I do post a link, it’s usually just from some piece of an article that I’m using to make my point, which I’m required to cite per forum rules.
I could care less if any of your crowd read a word of it. Doesn’t matter to me. I do it for the people who actually do read it.
How many times have I said that the PTR was started by the Jesuits of the Catholic church? Guess what? I LINKED TO THE PROOF. How many times have I said that NO ONE HAS EVER HEARD OF THE PTR, as known today, before Edward Irving, Margaret Mcdonald and John Darby? Guess what? I LINKED TO THE PROOF. I also printed it out.
Get a grip, Dude. I will link to whatever I think I need to, to make my point.
Claire STILL says saints are saints and angels are angels. And, angels can’t be called saints (she refuses to even discuss it). Guess what? I POSTED A LINK proving that the “saints” coming back with Christ at His second coming are his ANGELS, not previously raptured humans, giving FURTHER PROOF that the PTR is a lie.
There are many on this forum that are prolific linkers. I’m not even close to being one of them.
Again, I will post and link whatever I feel I need to in order to make my point.
Oh, and tell MHG to stop linking to all those dopey Prophecy Watchers videos. Just kidding. See my point?
Let’s try this:
No one ever heard of a secret rapture before Edward Irving, Margaret Mcdonald, and John Darby. Now, I’m going to back it up with someone else’s words, WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE AN EXPERT, because he was there, and wrote his opinion as a bible scholar.
“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether any one ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin. p. 26.”
The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? S. P. Tregelles. March 17, 1864.
****Tregelles was an EYEWITNESS to the event, when Margaret MacDonald made those utterances.
§ VIII. (p.23.)
“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”
“It is said that there shall be a secret coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this secret coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a secret rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this secret coming and secret rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”
“It is said that after this secret removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”
“This is the doctrine of the secret coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”
“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”
Why would I not post it by itself or as a link for someone to open?
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