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To: ShadowAce

Let’s try this:

No one ever heard of a secret rapture before Edward Irving, Margaret Mcdonald, and John Darby. Now, I’m going to back it up with someone else’s words, WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE AN EXPERT, because he was there, and wrote his opinion as a bible scholar.

“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether any one ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin. p. 26.”
The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? S. P. Tregelles. March 17, 1864.

****Tregelles was an EYEWITNESS to the event, when Margaret MacDonald made those utterances.

§ VIII. (p.23.)
“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”

“It is said that there shall be a secret coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this secret coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a secret rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this secret coming and secret rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”

“It is said that after this secret removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”

“This is the doctrine of the secret coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”

“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”

Why would I not post it by itself or as a link for someone to open?


360 posted on 12/08/2022 7:01:44 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: ShadowAce; SouthernClaire

Why does RWC post stuff from Daymond Duck and his Goofy friends (see what I did there)? Those aren’t RWC’s words. But I would say that for the most part, he agrees with it. He comments on the articles. Same for me and my links, articles, etc...

Hey, tell RWC to stop posting articles. People want to know what HE thinks. Pretty ridiculous of you and Claire, right? Right.

Hey Claire, I don’t think RWC will mind if I don’t ping him. You can if you want to. He doesn’t like me. If he wants me to ping him, just tell him to let me know.


361 posted on 12/08/2022 7:12:33 AM PST by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

You asserted -as if you were absolutely certain: “No one ever heard of a secret rapture before Edward Irving, Margaret Mcdonald, and John Darby.” That is a bold demonic lie and you have been shown the proof of same. Don’t bother posting more lies, I will cease reading them now.


363 posted on 12/08/2022 7:44:14 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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