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To: MHGinTN
...you add to that as if God is not able to save to the uttermost once the sin of unbelief ends.

Why is it so hard to ACCEPT the fact that UNBELIEF can return?

51 posted on 12/09/2022 4:48:00 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
The soul is your behavior mechanism. It is the mind, emotions, and will. The spirit is not the soul, alvbeit the spirit is within the soul until death or salvation. Hebrews 4:12 shows me that God's Word can separate the soul and spirit. God's Word also shows me that once I believed that Jesus is the One Whom God sent for my salvation it was GOD WHO separated my spirit out from my behavior mechanism and then as promised by GOD He has His Spirit residing in the born again spirit of me. According to Jesus the Spirit once abiding in me will NEVER LEAVE ME OR FORESAKE me. The behavior mechanism is still tempted and can and will sin, but the spirit has been separated from the soul so that God abiding therein prevents the possibility of sin in the newborn spirit. Unbelief is Sin, the very Sin which God is to put an end to in the Tribulation, the time of Jacob's Trouble.

You ask why is it so hard to 'accept' that unbelief can return. To accept that farcical assertion is to not believe It Is GOD Who does the saving of the spirit. It is God Wo births the humnan spirit into salvation. If I accepted your lie that unbelief 'can' return to the spirit I would be actually doing 'unbelief' in the Promises of God, that He has come to abide in my born again spirit. Where GOD IS there cannot be sin. Do you believe you are more powerful spiritually than a Promise of God to abide IN your spirit?

Unbelief is SPIRITUALLY impossible once GOD is abiding in the born again spirit. Satan however can manipulate your mind of the soul and get that aspect of you to doubt. Doubting with your mind is not spirit doubting, it is sin in the already under curse soul. Your you cannot sin after you die. Why? Because the behavior mechanism ceases to have any form of life in it. BUT THE SPIRIT, whether saved or not, does not cease to exist upon death.

I hear Elsie asking 'what must I do to remain saved'. THAT is the wrong question, friend, because it presumes God needs anything from you to birth your SPIRIT into a new family identity. The saved are POSITIONALLY in Christ, a new creation, with God's Spirit abiding in the newborn spirit. Satan can't touch that. If he could then god would be depending upon you to prevent satan killing your newborn self. At the Rapture -which satan hates- it is GOD WHO gives your newborn spirit a new glorified body and new behavior mechanism, for your eternally alive spirit toinhabit, forever.

53 posted on 12/09/2022 7:04:37 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Elsie

—>> Why is it so hard to ACCEPT the fact that UNBELIEF can return?

1. Believers are sealed unto the day of their complete redemption
2. We are held by His power and salvation is based entirely on His righteousness and nothing we did or can ever do or not do

Blessings to you bro


58 posted on 12/09/2022 9:13:56 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: Elsie; MHGinTN; metmom
Why is it so hard to ACCEPT the fact that UNBELIEF can return?

Why is it so hard for some professor of "belief" accept the fact that he/she has never wholly abandoned their unbelief, but still is not convinced that Jesus does ALL the saving and never abandons the person who has placed themselvef totally in His care, knowing that any work they can do on earth will never, ever save them?

Do you think that you can prove from Scripture that your proposal of a reversing of repentance applies to a person who has committed his/her self into Jesus' ownership completely, reserving nothing, even if Jehovah in His Plan is determined that one's physical life be taken away before one's expectations, as did Job and Abraham, contemporary "believers," even without the indwelling Spirit of God?

Job spoke his saving words:

Job 13:14-16 (AV; bolding added for emphasis): 
14Wherefore do I take my flesh in my teeth, and put my life in mine hand?  15Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.  16He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. 

Job 42:5-6 (AV; bolding added for emphasis):
  5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.  6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. 
Moses and David and Paul spoke of Abraham's irreversible, unreserved complete reliance on Jehovah thus:
Gen 15:5-6 (AV):
 5And heJehovah brought himAbram forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and heJehovah said unto himAbram, So shall thy seed be.  6And heAbram believed in the LORD; and heJehovah counted it to himAbram for righteousnesswith no future withdrawal possible at all, total commitment to reliance on Jehovah that had spoken and shown His Presence to Abram/Abraham.

Psalm 32:1-2 (AV):
1A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is heincluding both Job, Abram. David, and any having saving confidence in Jehovah whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.  2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. 

Romans 4:3,6,20-25 (AV):
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, . . .
20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;  21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.  22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.  23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;  24 on himJehovah that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;  25Who was delivered for our offencessins, and was raised again for our justificationjudicially declared "Not Guilty" (blameless) thenceforth forever imputed by Jehovah as being as Righteous as His Son
By virtue of our salvation and justification by His Death and resurrection, and our unalloyed total confidence in His Living Person that each regenerated person is imputed by the Father as being as Righteous as His Son, but in the sanctification into spiritual maturity continuing, each of us is fulfilling that standing with the Heavenly Father as being His never-to-be-rescinded-adoption as His children, subservient only to His Son as servants.

This doctrine is quite contrary to that unfounded doctrine of the Arminians, who in their approach think they can be "saved" but can fail in their belief, go back to depravity, and be judged at the Great White Throne for their supposed salvatory works.

How do I know that?

By experience being born as the son of a Methodist Episcopal ordained elder, and nover really "hearing" what a complete total trust in the Savior Jesus as the Way to Heaven through the Truth in a faithfully preserved and accurately translated version of the Holy Scriptures, which in my opinion the NIV is not.

With devotionally quoting verses from the Crown-Authorized Version of the true Majority/Byzantine Holy Scripture Translation.

60 posted on 12/09/2022 10:37:45 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!))
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