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To: Elsie; MHGinTN; metmom
Why is it so hard to ACCEPT the fact that UNBELIEF can return?

Why is it so hard for some professor of "belief" accept the fact that he/she has never wholly abandoned their unbelief, but still is not convinced that Jesus does ALL the saving and never abandons the person who has placed themselvef totally in His care, knowing that any work they can do on earth will never, ever save them?

Do you think that you can prove from Scripture that your proposal of a reversing of repentance applies to a person who has committed his/her self into Jesus' ownership completely, reserving nothing, even if Jehovah in His Plan is determined that one's physical life be taken away before one's expectations, as did Job and Abraham, contemporary "believers," even without the indwelling Spirit of God?

Job spoke his saving words:

Job 13:14-16 (AV; bolding added for emphasis): 
14Wherefore do I take my flesh in my teeth, and put my life in mine hand?  15Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him: but I will maintain mine own ways before him.  16He also shall be my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him. 

Job 42:5-6 (AV; bolding added for emphasis):
  5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.  6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. 
Moses and David and Paul spoke of Abraham's irreversible, unreserved complete reliance on Jehovah thus:
Gen 15:5-6 (AV):
 5And heJehovah brought himAbram forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and heJehovah said unto himAbram, So shall thy seed be.  6And heAbram believed in the LORD; and heJehovah counted it to himAbram for righteousnesswith no future withdrawal possible at all, total commitment to reliance on Jehovah that had spoken and shown His Presence to Abram/Abraham.

Psalm 32:1-2 (AV):
1A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is heincluding both Job, Abram. David, and any having saving confidence in Jehovah whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.  2Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile. 

Romans 4:3,6,20-25 (AV):
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, . . .
20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;  21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.  22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.  23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;  24 on himJehovah that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;  25Who was delivered for our offencessins, and was raised again for our justificationjudicially declared "Not Guilty" (blameless) thenceforth forever imputed by Jehovah as being as Righteous as His Son
By virtue of our salvation and justification by His Death and resurrection, and our unalloyed total confidence in His Living Person that each regenerated person is imputed by the Father as being as Righteous as His Son, but in the sanctification into spiritual maturity continuing, each of us is fulfilling that standing with the Heavenly Father as being His never-to-be-rescinded-adoption as His children, subservient only to His Son as servants.

This doctrine is quite contrary to that unfounded doctrine of the Arminians, who in their approach think they can be "saved" but can fail in their belief, go back to depravity, and be judged at the Great White Throne for their supposed salvatory works.

How do I know that?

By experience being born as the son of a Methodist Episcopal ordained elder, and nover really "hearing" what a complete total trust in the Savior Jesus as the Way to Heaven through the Truth in a faithfully preserved and accurately translated version of the Holy Scriptures, which in my opinion the NIV is not.

With devotionally quoting verses from the Crown-Authorized Version of the true Majority/Byzantine Holy Scripture Translation.

60 posted on 12/09/2022 10:37:45 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux (Let There Be [God's] Light!))
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To: imardmd1

Thank you, Brother. see you in the clouds.


61 posted on 12/09/2022 12:03:48 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: imardmd1
Why is it so hard for some professor of "belief" accept the fact that he/she has never wholly abandoned their unbelief, but still is not convinced that Jesus does ALL the saving and never abandons the person who has placed themselvef totally in His care, knowing that any work they can do on earth will never, ever save them?

Yup, Jesus sure does all the saving, and the BELEIVER does all the BELIEVIN'!

67 posted on 12/09/2022 10:02:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
.... the Crown-Authorized Version of the true Majority/Byzantine Holy Scripture Translation.

OOoooh!

Appeal to authority!

68 posted on 12/09/2022 10:03:54 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
Gen 15:6 (AV):
  6And heAbram believed in the LORD;  

 

Romans 4:3 (AV):
3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
73 posted on 12/09/2022 10:15:34 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: imardmd1
By experience being born as the son of a Methodist Episcopal ordained elder, and nover really "hearing" what a complete total trust in the Savior Jesus as the Way to Heaven through the Truth in a faithfully preserved and accurately translated version of the Holy Scriptures, which in my opinion the NIV is not.

Interesting opinion you have.

Can you explain in a bit more detail as to what is WRONG with the NIV and how it may detract from a person's ability to believe in the Gospel presented on it's pages?

75 posted on 12/09/2022 10:17:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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