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To: Philsworld

You SDA cultists just make things up to support satan’s lies. Are you now claiming to know the mind of EVERY Christian Martyr? what a empty balloon you prove yourself to be. What a tool of satan you enjoy being. The SDA fool says
‘No one ever believed the pre-tribulation departure of the Christians’ (Body of Believers), as if their false prophetess, E.G. White assured them of that lie. Bugs Bunny named you well, whatta Maroon.


54 posted on 11/27/2022 1:42:58 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

——>Are you now claiming to know the mind of EVERY Christian Martyr?

All you would ever have to do is read a book. The well-documented cases of Protestants going to their graves and holding true to Christ, are legendary. Denying it ever happened will do you no good. People who do sound foolish.


57 posted on 11/27/2022 4:55:20 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN; Roman_War_Criminal

——>The SDA fool says
‘No one ever believed the pre-tribulation departure of the Christians’ (Body of Believers)

Francisco Ribera (Jesuit)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit)
Michael Walpole (Jesuit)
Manuel De Lacunza (Jesuit)

These 4 Jesuits tried to convince the Protestant Reformers of a pre-tribulation departure of the “body of believers” as you say (commissioned by the Catholic Church after the Council of Trent). They concocted a ruse to throw people off their scent, that the Catholic church was the antichrist power, WHICH EVERY SINGLE REFORMER BELIEVED...well documented, etc.... 100% REJECTED. Not one Protestant, up until Edward Irving, ever believed it. It was all but forgotten until Edward Irving found a copy of De Lacunza’s book in a library (Oxford?) and translated it from Spanish into English. Guess who was a member of Irving’s church? Yes indeed, it was none other than Margaret Macdonald, THE UTTERER.

Someone else was in Irving’s church that fateful day, along with Margaret Macdonald. That person was Samuel Prideaux Tregelles. He wrote about that encounter that he personally witnessed. I’ve previously documented it in multiple posts. Here it is again.

“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether any one ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin. p. 26.”

The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? S. P. Tregelles. March 17, 1864.

And more...

“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”

“It is said that there shall be a secret coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this secret coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a secret rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this secret coming and secret rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”

“It is said that after this secret removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”

“This is the doctrine of the secret coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”

“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”

There is a long list of protestants who facilitated this false doctrine among Protestants. The most notable was John Nelson Darby. He tweaked it to what it is today. (even further tweaked by the likes of Hal Lindsey and the multitudes flocking to be on Prophecy Watchers, to sell their wares, etc...)

Started by Jesuits (of the Antichrist power), then spread throughout the Protestant world by gullible suckers.

The Reformers ALL believed in one, and only one, second coming of Jesus Christ. No secret event beforehand. They were Historicists. Believers of the false PTR doctrine are Futurists. Your buddy, Tommy Ice, even labels them as such.
Where does that term come from? It comes from the Jesuits of the Catholic church.

Your FALSE PTR doctrine HOLDS NO WATER.


60 posted on 11/27/2022 5:40:41 PM PST by Philsworld
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To: MHGinTN

——Bugs Bunny named you well, whatta Maroon.

I’m not the one that has been duped by the Catholic church. Whatta you say about that? 😂😂🤣🤣😆


61 posted on 11/27/2022 6:07:43 PM PST by Philsworld
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