Posted on 10/26/2022 4:08:21 PM PDT by Its All Over Except ...
"This man needs to stop going after every single Catholic publicly that he disagrees with. It is bad decorum and does not make the Church look good."
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Comments were made at the Pints of Aquinas video below that may be of interest to people:
A.) Brian Walsh
1 day ago (edited)
I would like to ask Mr. Lofton—and boy is it easy for Eastern rite Catholics to snipe at trads when they have no skin in the game—how he would feel if Francis appointed a commission to rewrite the Eastern rite with the only Catholics being Archbishop Paglia and Fr. Richard Rohr and with two of six Protestants being Joel Osteen and Cameron Betrtuzzi. And the finished product was the Novus Ordo. Dollars to dimes he would not shrug and say “aw shucks, he is the pope” as he says to those who dispute the Pope’s disgusting and uncharitable Traditiones Custodes.
B.) Samantha Bice
1 day ago
My wish for the rest of my life, and however many Popes that includes - I hope to never hear the words “imprudent” and “Pope” in the same sentence ever again. I will never leave the Church. I respect the office. I don’t think Pope Francis has ill will. But I think he’s poorly suited to public office and I’m tired of hearing “that was imprudent”, “that could be clarified more”, “we have to look at this in larger context”. I’m just *tired*. We should be able to expect our father to speak to us with clarity. I have zero expectation of that now - and it breaks my heart. Thank God above for the deep wells of knowledge in the Church already that I can turn to.
I appreciate Loften in many matters and I think he explains things well. But lately I feel like his pendulum swing has been so far in the other direction (it’s all fine, the house isn’t on fire, it’s just imprudent) that it’s like watching gaslighting in action. And perhaps that comes from a place of just being too hurt to hear any more defense of “imprudent words”. I appreciate this interview - it gives more context to his videos. But I’ve had to skip the vast majority of videos on his channel lately bc of the above feelings I have about the issues.
C.) Laurenti_810
1 day ago
So, when discussing Pachamama - Michael claims they said it was Our Lady of the Amazon. Then Matt points out that Bergoglio himself referred to it as Pachamama... Michael says he interpreted his words then as “accommodating language”... I don’t understand how he can impart this interpretation as fact if he never clarified... shouldn’t we take his word that it was pachamama? could the same be said about those apparently who called the statue Our Lady of the Amazon? Accommodating language does not make sense.
Concerning C.) I found this:
Vatican News
10/25/2019
Pope Francis
Pope Francis announces retrieval of indigenous statues
The Holy See Press Office has provided a transcription of Pope Francis’s remarks concerning several indigenous statues, stolen earlier this week and thrown into the Tiber River. The Holy Father spoke off-the-cuff following the liturgical prayer that opened the afternoon session of the 15th General Congregation of the Synod for the Amazon.
Pope Francis’ words
Good afternoon. I want to say a word about the statues of the pachamama that were taken from the church of the Transpontina – which were there without idolatrous intentions – and were thrown into the Tiber.
First of all, this happened in Rome, and, as Bishop of the Diocese, I ask pardon of the persons who were offended by this act.
Then, I want to communicate to you that the statues which created such attention in the media, were retrieved from the Tiber. The statues were not damaged.
The Commander of the Carabinieri desires that you should be informed of this recovery before the news is made public. At the moment, the news is confidential, and the statues are being kept in the Italian Carabinieri Commander’s office.
The Commander of the Carabinieri has expressed his desire to follow up on any indications that you would like to give concerning the manner of publication of the news, and any other initiative you may want to take in this regard: for example, the Commander said, “the exhibition of the statues during the Holy Mass for the closing of the Synod”. We’ll see.
I have delegated the Secretary of State to respond to this.
This is a bit of good news. Thank you.
The idol statue is obviously not a depiction of the blessed Virgin Mary.
D.) MissingIguana
10/23/22
Lofton Won’t debate MHFM (suppressed video)
E.) VaticanCatholic
10/22/22
Trent Horn & Michael Lofton Debunked on Francis & Prosyletism
F.) Classical Theist
Responding To Michael Lofton on the Magisterium
G.) Pints with Aquinas
Radical Traditionalism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Pope Bashing w/ Michael Lofton
Catholic News Agency
6/26/2016
Full text: Pope Francis’ in-flight press conference from Armenia
[Francis: “...Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification...”
Pope Francis: I think that the intentions of Martin Luther were not mistaken. He was a reformer. Perhaps some methods were not correct. But in that time, if we read the story of the Pastor, a German Lutheran who then converted when he saw reality – he became Catholic – in that time, the Church was not exactly a model to imitate. There was corruption in the Church, there was worldliness, attachment to money, to power...and this he protested. Then he was intelligent and took some steps forward justifying, and because he did this. And today Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification On this point, which is very important, he did not err. He made a medicine for the Church”
If only. If only the Catholic Church actually believed and taught what Luther did on this after the Council of Trent, during it, and before it, back through the millenia plus.
Wrong. Supposedly decent scholarship against poor scholarship wouldn’t entail equivocating. It’s hard to inspire intellectual depth doing that.
Plus you use liberal, hyperpapalist, Ad Hominem tactics saying “ilk” showing your uncharitable lack of accompaniment and rigidity.
St. Paul opposed Pope St. Peter to his face and other examples of strong opposition to past popes has occurred. Learn something for once instead of being a popesplainer.
Marcelinius
(296-?). Was accused of pinching incense to Ceasar to avoid persecution himself. Evidence one way or the other may have been lost to history.
Benedict IX
(1032-1046)
Was foisted upon the Cardinals. Abdicated in 1044.
Returned in 1045. Abdicated later in 45.
Returned in 46.
A Council ultimately deposed him. During one of his “papacies” he may have resigned due to seeking the hand of a woman. Sylvester, after him, though said now to have been a pope was nonetheless apparently somehow simultaneously deemed to be a false pope then via an imprisonment. Pope Gregory VI, although deemed as possessing good motives in attempting to clean things up, was deemed as having engaged in simony. Resigned/abdicated?
Sylvester III
Abdicated in 1045. Imprisoned.
Gregory VI.
(1045-1046). Abdicated/resigned? Replaced by Clement II.
Benedict abdicated again in 1048 after taking the papacy when Clement II died.
Several other examples like Pope Honorious and others exist.
No doubt you would have used the same or similar talking points to defend those above had you been around back then.
Shismatic, heretical bishops, be they several Germanic ones, New Zealanders, etc, are flexible with and show accompaniment to the woke flavor of the month, heresies, and those who adhere to these (Mt. 7:26-27), while those who adhere to Sacred Scripture and Tradition (Mt. 7:24-25) are castigated by the indulgent modernists as being “rigid.”
But the Synod on Synodality has no business appeasing man as the church is supposed to teach the word of God to man, not the word of man to God. (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, John 8:10-11, James 2: 14-17, 20-22, 24, 26, Mt. 19:5, etc).
For every person scandalized out the door by those who adhere to Sacred Scripture and Tradition, 100 are scandalized out the door by the actions and teachings (or lack thereof) of the indulgent ones.
A.) Those who adhere to Sacred Scripture and Tradition respond to these clergy according to Jude 1:3-4, 2 Tim. 4:2, 2 Peter 1, Romans 16:17, and many other scriptures like these, whereas the B.) apologists (online, in print, on YouTube, etc), on behalf of and in defense of the indulgent ones, deny or ignore the problems that exist the modernists have created, attack others who take issue with heresies, obfuscate the matters with “nuance”, make excuses for the modernists, and ultimately ignore what Jude, St. Paul, etc, said to do concerning them.
We don’t have a situation where Francis is occupying and promoting the “center” and fighting progressives and others. This is shown per a Pew Research poll (and reinforced by other, similar polls) that Novus Ordo adherents are progressive to a large extent given that 51% of them adhere to the heretical, pro-choice position on abortion.
Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi; in conjunction with this, “Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.” (Mt. 7:20, Douay-Rheims).
Cmpounding this problem, only 1/3 Catholics believe in the Real Presence with 2/3 not adhering to what the church has always taught on this. Lex orandi, lex credendi... Further, the Council of Trent affirmed that only consecrated hands being allowed to touch the Eucharistic host was an “Apostolic Tradition”, bolstered by St. Sixtus who declared in his time, c. 115 AD, that only consecrated hands were even allowed to touch sacred objects, giving insight into his times and the seriousness of the Apostolic Tradition that Trent affirmed as opposed to the Novus Ordo, oft-complete with a lack of canonical rubrics, outlandish behaviors from priest and laypeople alike, and so on; numerous examples of such, in various places over the decades - many recently - are available on video.
Francis publicly seems quiet on the aforementioned and also concerning what many Germanic bishops are promoting. One need only look at his lack of publicly reining in Fr. Malachi Martin to discern this. As well, he strays into ideological territory, smiling on camera with ideological, pro-abort politicians of all people from Ireland and the U.S. (James 4:4).
Thus it’s actually a.) progressive Novus Ordo and the b.) even more progressive Novus Ordo German and New Zealand bishops vs. c.) those who promote Sacred Scripture and Tradition and the TLM with Francis either helping or doing little to nothing in stopping the church from lurching further towards increasing progressivism. Yet we are supposed to look at his intentions on the aforementioned, the Pachamama debacle both inside and out of St. Peters, he putting pro-aborts like Mazzuchato in ranking positions, appointing men like Cardinal Paglia, and many other examples; all the while hyperpapalist apologists give no quarter to Dr. Marshall, Dr. Stine, Kennedy, Dr. Gordon, Father Altman, etc, and attack them for being uncharitable and yet not commensurate in commenting how uncharitable Francis has been with those of Tradition.
The modernists ever-changing, living tradition, in which “open to interpretation” means diverging from ancient, long-standing interpretation and now open to whomever has power, is reminiscent of what liberals in the U. S. think concerning the U.S. Constitution being a living document. But the fledgling, barely 60 year-old Vatican II interpretations are giving momentum to a lurching ever further to the left as time goes by,. But we shouldn’t be surprised as many of those who were involved in concocting the 1960’s Vatican II likened it to the 1789 French Revolution; we can see the rotten fruit of said revolution in France and elsewhere today (Mt. 7:15-20) and see the Lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi Novus Ordo fruit of Vatican II per the aforementioned Pew Research poll and similar polls. Again, “By their fruits shall ye know them.” (Mt. 7:15-20).
It is Sacred Scripture, Tradition, prior popes, and prior Councils that exposes the modernists as being in schism, whereas those who point out what they have done are just merely the messengers. St. Thomas More said “I die the king’s faithful servant, but God’s first.” Martyrs shed their blood rather than complying with heresies and going outside the Church. John the Baptist and Jesus Christ at times were much harsher against the religious leaders than anything said here.
Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, told us to “Judge not lest ye be judged” and not only is that verse about the only verse it seems the modernist-enabler are aware of or quote, it seems they don’t know about or just ignore where Jesus also said in John 7:24 to “Judge righteous judgment.” Sadly, Mt. 7:2 is used to shut down conversations, deflect from an issue at hand, or to protect egregiously bad behaviors. So does someone have to be a perfect human being in order to raise issues, talk about hypocrisy, problems or heresies being taught or committed? Obviously not. How could St. Paul, Jude, John the Baptist, etc, have spoken concerning the wrongs taking place around them if they had to be perfect in order to do so, even things that undoubtedly occurred but aren’t listed in Sacred Scripture? So a person doesn’t have to be perfect in order to comment on something being out of order, heretical, sinful or wrong. It’s how you do it that matters, and the person doing this isn’t judging when they reference Sacred Scripture, Tradition, prior popes, Councils, etc. In those cases, it’s Sacred Scripture, Tradition, etc, then that is doing the judging.
When some out of concern try to talk about issues, problems, topics, what people believe or are teaching, it seems so often they are told they are judging when they aren’t. What comes with this is being personally attacked by the enablers instead of the enablers challenging their arguments.
Do I think Lofton is a present, outright schismatic or heretic? No.
Do I think he’s woke, promotes outright heresies, etc? No.
Do I think he’s an indulgent one? No.
Do I think he’s a Modernist? No.
Do I think he’s a Progressive? No.
Do I think he’s anti-Real Presence? No.
Do I think he’s pro-choice? No.
Do I think he outright judges? No.
Etc, etc, etc? No.
What do I think 100% about Lofton, in light of all that I’ve posted so far?
He wastes people’s time popesplaining, deflects from what really matters, goes after the wrong people, fails to go pedal to the metal in dealing with the things I brought up in post #7 that are eating away at the church like the Fr. Martin’s, the Schismatics in Germany, the ongoing, unending corrupted Novus Ordo services featuring wacky contrivances of man like dancing priests, etc, the sad fact only 1/3 believes in the Real Presence, and 51% of Novus Ordo adherents adhere to being pro-choice on abortion.
The heretic Martin Luther was condemned by the Council of Trent as being a heretic and declared he taught heresy.
Secondly, Councils, popes, etc, before and after the Council of Trent, never taught the view of Justification that Luther did and yet Francis agrees with Luther. But, again, the church before and after the Council of Trent never taught what Luther taught on Justification.
Pope Francis: “I think that the intentions of Martin Luther were not mistaken. He was a reformer. Perhaps some methods were not correct. But in that time, if we read the story of the Pastor, a German Lutheran who then converted when he saw reality – he became Catholic – in that time, the Church was not exactly a model to imitate. There was corruption in the Church, there was worldliness, attachment to money, to power...and this he protested. Then he was intelligent and took some steps forward justifying, and because he did this. And today Lutherans and Catholics, Protestants, all of us agree on the doctrine of justification On this point, which is very important, he did not err. He made a medicine for the Church.”
Pope Francis attended an ecumenical prayer service at the Lutheran cathedral in Lund, Sweden on Oct. 31, 2016 despite them heretically condoning abortion, contraceptives, and homosexuality.
“It is not licit to convince them of your faith. Proselytism is the strongest venom against the Ecumenical path.” ~ Francis, Paul VI Hall, Oct. 13, 2016.
Francis, August 7, 2013, while in Buenos Aires: “Do you need to convince the other to become Catholic? No, no, no. Go out and meet him. He is your brother. ...”
Francis doesn’t align with a binding Ecumenical Council, Trent, in seeking to bring people into the One, Holy, Apostolic Church.
You are still triggered snd deflecting away from Francis’ do little to nothing policy on fixing things. So what is it? Are you are Novus Ordo somewhat progressive or full progressive Novus Ordo I talked about earlier as you don’t seem to support Tradition.
Again, Francis Is doing little to nothing about the Schismatic, heretical German bishops who have waxed full pro-LGBTQ, he won’t or is incapable of simply saying God loves everyone, if you’re divorced you can partake of communion if you confess and are absolved, Jesus won’t condemn you but he told the adultress to “Go and sin no more”, he’s doing little to nothing to turn the church around headed back to believing in what it has always taught, the Real Presence, he’s doing nothing about fixing how 51% of Novus Ordo adherents are pro-choice on abortion, and you say nothing concerning Francis either being a closet heretic, an enabler, or just imcompetent on dealing with these, nor do you say anything about Francis letting Fr. Martin peddle his twisted views without reining him in publicly. If anyone is destroying it by doing little to nothing it wouldn’t be me.
So it’s obvious you are either an enabler of heresies (brought up above) or perhaps you are another run-of-the-mill popesplainer.
No, this isn’t me clutching pearls, you are just lashing out, still with a big mouth, still going personal with name-calling (pearl clutcher) and you have nothing else. No Sacred Scripture, no Councils back you up. Zilch. You’re all talk. No solutions either.
And you are still deflecting away from do-nothing Francis and how he is failing to deal with heresies, the church lurching to pro-LGBTQ, lurching to more and more progressivism, etc.
Again...
Francis Is doing little to nothing about the Schismatic, heretical German bishops who have waxed full pro-LGBTQ, he won’t or is incapable of simply saying God loves everyone, if you’re divorced you can partake of communion if you confess and are absolved, Jesus won’t condemn you but he told the adultress to “Go and sin no more”, he’s doing little to nothing to turn the church around headed back to believing in what it has always taught, the Real Presence, he’s doing nothing about fixing how 51% of Novus Ordo adherents are pro-choice on abortion, and you say nothing concerning Francis either being a closet heretic, an enabler, or just imcompetent on dealing with these, nor do you say anything about Francis letting Fr. Martin peddle his twisted views without reining him in publicly, so it’s obvious you are either are an enabler of heresies, or you are another run-of-the-mill popesplainer.
You are aloof to your coddling of heresies and LGBTQ perversions by saying nothing about those who do nothing in dealing with these.
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The Remnant Video
October 4, 2022
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