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Nondenominational pastors found to hold more Biblical views than pastors of other denominations: survey
Christian Post ^ | 09/04/2022 | Ryan Foley

Posted on 09/04/2022 2:02:47 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

This is very revealing what’s happening in black churches. They’ve gone off the rails.


21 posted on 09/04/2022 5:16:18 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: SeekAndFind
History of Arizona Christian University:
Southwestern Conservative Baptist Bible College => Southwestern College => Arizon Christian University => ?

ounded in 1960, Arizona Christian University is a regionally accredited, private, non-profit Christian liberal arts university in Glendale, Arizona. The university traces its roots to Ida Clouse, a Christian missionary and registered nurse who left the Midwest in 1917 and moved to Arizona under the Homestead Act where she opened the Clouse Ranch, which soon became a popular Christian retreat center. Upon her death, Clouse left 35 acres of her ranch to an association of Baptist churches for the creation of a Christian college. More than a decade later they formed Southwestern Conservative Baptist Bible College, later Southwestern College, and since 2011, Arizona Christian University — in recognition of the school’s growth from a small Bible college to a Christian liberal arts university.
22 posted on 09/04/2022 5:27:09 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The day ain’t over yet; but, yeah.


23 posted on 09/04/2022 5:33:45 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: GMThrust

non denominational here
we just read the Bible
we do not have programs or tradition directing us
just the Bible


24 posted on 09/04/2022 6:05:46 PM PDT by SisterK (the final variant is communism)
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To: Angelino97
There are limits, but for the most part, God is not concerned with partisan politics.

This reminds me of a passage in Daniel 4:
"This decision is by the decree of the watchers, and the sentence by the word of the holy ones, in order that the living may know that the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, gives it to whomever He will, and sets over it the lowest of men."

25 posted on 09/04/2022 6:32:35 PM PDT by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nonsense poll. The potential for selection bias is huge. Those pastors who most strongly hold their denomination’s views on faith are also the least likely to participate in a “nondenominational” poll.


26 posted on 09/04/2022 7:00:31 PM PDT by rmichaelj (Ave Maria gratia plena, Dominus tecum.)
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To: rmichaelj; Roman_War_Criminal; ducttape45; GingisK; Angelino97; marron; Poison Pill
>> The Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University released the seventh installment of its American Worldview Inventory Tuesday. The latest wave of research released builds on previous data that found only 37% of pastors hold a biblical worldview <<

And the last "poll" they did was totally rigged to get the results they wanted (as I noted, I'm surprised they got as HIGH as "37%" having a "biblical worldview" with the "Have you stopped beating your wife, sir?" type of biased questioning they used), so this "poll" is probably equally worthless. See my analysis of the last "poll" here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/4063433/posts?page=63#63

>> Totally believable. Denominational pastors are behold to their denominations beliefs and practices, which in many cases can be, and many times are, non-biblical. Non-denominational are freer to hold to more biblical views. <<

I've actually found the OPPOSITE tends to be true, at least when it comes to lay people who attend "non-denominational" churches vs. lay people who attend churches with a fixed doctrine. For example, Carrie Underwood is "non-denominational" and can happily champion gay marriage in her church, because they have no set of beliefs that state otherwise. All you have to do to be a member of her church in good standing is say you "follow Jesus". Anything goes. You could probably even claim Jesus is not divine and be a good "Christian" at her "non-denominational" church.

>> They didn’t go into issues that typically divide Christians. <<

Really? Well they CERTAINLY did in the LAST "poll" that claimed "only 37%" of pastors have a "biblical worldview". It had plenty of fundamentalist protestant only criteria to give the "correct" answer in order to be "biblical". You had to accept sola scriptura and "Christ alone" protestant theology, so ANY Catholic or Orthodox pastor, no matter how devout and traditional, would AUTOMATICALLY fall into the "unbiblical" category by their "survey"

>> 2. A Catholic, a Lutheran, a Greek Orthodox, a Pentecostal might all compile a different list of "Biblical Christian" ideas. Each will perform 100% Biblical on their own list, and all the others will fall short of 100%. Yes, I'm sure Catholics are "less Biblical" by the standards of "non-denominational" pastors. But the latter are "less Biblical" by Catholic standard It also depends on the Biblical interpretation applied by those judges. Perhaps they are somehow biased. <<

Exactly my point. They cherry pick the questions and the data to get the results they want. These "polls" are worthless. In fact, as I noted above, the actual numbers probably the opposite of what they claim. A lot of self-proclaimed "nondenominational" Christians I've met or heard about don't follow the bible at all.

27 posted on 09/04/2022 7:47:36 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: SisterK

You don’t fit into the traditional denominations, but, you are a denomination. You do have beliefs like the Trinity, water baptism, salvation... When you read the Bible, what is your interpretation of those things? Do you see the point? Like I said, it’s like saying you are unbiased. No such thing. BTW, I fall into your category. I am a Triune God, water baptism, salvation through Christ alone believing Christian. That’s my denomination.


28 posted on 09/04/2022 9:29:12 PM PDT by GMThrust
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To: SeekAndFind

We go to two small independent churches and neither one is associated with any main stream churches. Both neighborhood churches and both use the KJV and preach from it every week.


29 posted on 09/04/2022 9:44:41 PM PDT by The Mayor (“Love the Lord your God,” and “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37–39))
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To: The Mayor

Wish I could find a church like that where I live. After much research, I’ve yet to locate one.


30 posted on 09/05/2022 5:37:46 AM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: GMThrust

Sorry but it’s nonsense to say non-denominational is a denomination. Denomination is more than a common philosophical and biblical worldview.


31 posted on 09/05/2022 6:05:17 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: GMThrust; circlecity; ducttape45; SisterK

We can define *denomination* as divisions based on names. Think of founders such as Luther, Wesley, Smith... In the early chapters of 1st Corinthians, the denominational names were Paul, Peter and Apollos. Paul wastes no time teaching that those denominations were vacant and useless.

The Lord’s church is (truly) non-denominational because it is not founded by a man. The Lord’s church can save; a man-made church, not so much.

A fly in the ointment are those who call themselves non-denominational churches that welcome all types of “Christians.” “We all worship the same God; don’t worry.”


32 posted on 09/05/2022 10:41:24 AM PDT by NorthStarOkie (In all that you do, glorify the name of the Lord.)
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To: circlecity

What is the dictionary definition of denomination? It’s a designation to classify a set of things. You have a set of Christian values, then that is a way to classify your set of beliefs-it’s a denomination.
What more is it then?


33 posted on 09/05/2022 1:30:53 PM PDT by GMThrust
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To: NorthStarOkie

“The Lord’s church is (truly) non-denominational because it is not founded by a man. The Lord’s church can save; a man-made church, not so much.”
Excellent point.


34 posted on 09/05/2022 1:32:52 PM PDT by GMThrust
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To: GMThrust

There is always some form of distinctive and commonality: church, liturgical, sacramental and/or ecclesiastical set up and theology. Something more than mere Congregationalism which also exists among several traditional denominations and I don’t believe is a denominational distinctive. If you had to call them by anything, though, you could lump them under congregationist which would also include baptists and every other congregational denomination.


35 posted on 09/05/2022 3:07:18 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: GingisK
Our church just had a sermon about doctrine, and what is essential and what is not essential. Non-denominational, conservative, probably with Baptist leanings.

Essential to being a Christian, and at our church to be a pastor or member are five things:

Belief in God as the Trinity
Deity of Christ
Salvation by Grace Alone
Inerrancy and authority of Scripture
Return of Christ to rule, reign and Judge

He talked about three other rankings as well. The next group is where denominations may differ but they may still be Christians. Things like baptism (adult vs. children). I need to listen to the sermon again - but I'm guessing that gay marriage might be in this group, but then that would go against the authority of Scripture in the first group.

Third group we shouldn't divide over but it is important to inform ones own faith - things like old/young earth creation, end times positions, etc.

Fourth group is trivial - did Adam have a belly button?

36 posted on 09/05/2022 3:28:17 PM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant. Never Fearful.)
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To: circlecity

Good point.


37 posted on 09/05/2022 3:37:47 PM PDT by GMThrust
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To: GMThrust
>> I am a Triune God, water baptism, salvation through Christ alone believing Christian. That’s my denomination. <<

Your denomination is generalized protestant then.

38 posted on 09/05/2022 4:56:12 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: 21twelve
>> Essential to being a Christian, and at our church to be a pastor or member are five things: Belief in God as the Trinity Deity of Christ Salvation by Grace Alone Inerrancy and authority of Scripture Return of Christ to rule, reign and Judge <<

Based on the third criteria on the list, your church would have a rough time locating a single "Christian" on earth prior to the 1600s.

39 posted on 09/05/2022 4:57:23 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Build Biden Better.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Iv’e been saying that for years. When churches become one under man’s umbrella, they stop being Christ’s bride.


40 posted on 09/05/2022 7:06:25 PM PDT by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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