Posted on 03/06/2022 9:44:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Bkmk
I don’t see that God compels anyone to do evil or sin.
Show your rational that God compels evil.
We all face God’s Divine Justice when we die.
Ezekiel then goes on to preach about personal responsibility and everything it implies in the case of the exiles. What he teaches marks an advance on the revelation contained in previous books. People took it as normal for a city or a whole nation to be punished collectively—just men as well as sinners—and for the sins of parents to be visited also on their children. Ezekiel speaks of individual responsibility: A man’s salvation or condemnation depends on him alone, on his personal attitude to God, that is, his response to the grace he has been given, as it was in the beginning.
Ezekiel therefore explains the meaning and purpose of divine punishment and teaches that it is possible for each individual to be reconciled with God, going on to explain further about individual retribution. Since man is responsible for his actions, he must suffer the consequences of his unfaithfulness, although—even in exile—he can recover lost grace by being converted, which is the true purpose of any punishment God metes out:
“But if a wicked man turns away from all his sins which he has committed and keeps and my statutes and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness which he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, says the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?” (Ezek. 18:21-23).
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/ezekiel
Ezekiel concludes his prophecies, as we have seen, by announcing that there will be a New Covenant:
“I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; and I will bless them and multiply them and set my sanctuary in the midst of them for ever more” (Ezek. 37:26).
The book closes with a description of the future city:
“The circumference of the city shall be eighteen thousand cubits, and the name of the city henceforth shall be, ‘Yahweh is there’” (48:35). This prophecy looks to the reconstruction of Israel as symbol of the messianic kingdom, the Church.
I thought we got Russia from the Russ, who came down with the Vikings?
...sounds like Robertson has gotten into some of Jim Stafford’s ‘Wildwood Weed’...
Moscow and Tobolsk didn’t exist as cities, much less as places known to the ancient Israelites, at the time Ezekiel was written. And “Rosh” is just the common Hebrew word for “head”.
If one reads Ezekiel 37, then 38 and 39, that pattern looks like the one in Revelation 20.
A resurrection of dry bones happens in Ezekiel 37.
That still is a future event.
Then there is 1,000 years Satan is locked away.
The same 1,000 years Christ reigns.
Then Satan is let out of prison and a Gog/Magog that ends with Satan, the prince of this world, routed.
Jerusalem is to be surrounded, though, at the end of this age. The book of Luke hints of it best, when Christ is weeping over Jerusalem before His entry into Jerusalem where they declare Him ‘King’ ( in Luke and John, it’s king- in Mark it’s kingdom, and in Mathew, it’s the son of David who has come)
And it’s only in Luke, where as He is going to Calvary, He talks to the women of Jerusalem and tells them to weep for themselves. And that blessed are the barren and those who never bore.
The time/era of Mark and Luke overlap with the Man carrying a jar of water at Passover sign..
The sun is currently traveling out of the Man carrying a jar of water, to the 2 Fish.
Those 2 Fish are still above the heads of Israel at Passover, then it’s a time that hasn’t reached that to come period.
But some wobbles and earthquakes can move that time up quickly..
One can hope that it’s a spiritually fulfilled prophecy at end of this age and few have to die and be destroyed
But it is a cup of trembling, Jerusalem ..
And was back then.
Is today
For His purposes and His glory
According to His timing
God did harden Pharoah’s heart, which caused him to act in an alleged unkind manner.
God was depicted as the source of all things (see Isa. 45:7). When the author says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, he is saying that there were no other spiritual forces (i.e., other gods) at work.
In modern theological language, and with the fullness of revelation received through Jesus Christ, we would phrase it as God permitted Pharaoh’s hardening of heart. Evil and sin are not more powerful than nor equal to God; therefore, if they exist, it is because God has permitted them to exist. This does not mean that God wills these particular things, but he permits them for a greater purpose. Generally speaking, that greater good is our free will.
As the Scriptures say, God permits the rain to fall on the good and the bad (Matt. 5:45). If God instantly punished the bad and instantly rewarded the good, there would be no free will. We would all be coerced into right action rather than freely choosing it. In this case, Pharaoh saw the goodness of God at work, and instead of accepting it chose to reject it and attack it. Sin hardens hearts and makes us less likely to repent, and God does indeed permit this if we choose.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/did-god-negate-pharaohs-free-will
God was depicted as the source of all things (see Isa. 45:7). When the author says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart, he is saying that there were no other spiritual forces (i.e., other gods) at work.
In modern theological language, and with the fullness of revelation received through Jesus Christ, we would phrase it as God permitted Pharaoh’s hardening of heart. Evil and sin are not more powerful than nor equal to God; therefore, if they exist, it is because God has permitted them to exist. This does not mean that God wills these particular things, but he permits them for a greater purpose. Generally speaking, that greater good is our free will.
As the Scriptures say, God permits the rain to fall on the good and the bad (Matt. 5:45). If God instantly punished the bad and instantly rewarded the good, there would be no free will. We would all be coerced into right action rather than freely choosing it. In this case, Pharaoh saw the goodness of God at work, and instead of accepting it chose to reject it and attack it. Sin hardens hearts and makes us less likely to repent, and God does indeed permit this if we choose.
https://www.catholic.com/qa/did-god-negate-pharaohs-free-will
I kind of get that. Modern theological language. And I will ponder it.
Meanwhile, here’s old, straight from God language:
Isaiah 45–6.. That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I AM the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45–7.. I form the Light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things..
Job 2–9.. Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse GOD and die.
Job 2–10.. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of GOD, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
No. Just watched a video debunking this... https://youtu.be/z4_jr52w9oo
I disagree with the translation you used for Isaiah 45-7.
You state “I make peace, and create evil:”
The New American Bible states as “I create weal and woe” Quite different than evil.
Job endured the suffering and tests and did not sin, so I do not believe that Job was reporting that God was using evil, but allowed his faith to be tested.
I am surprised that you believe that God creates evil or sin.
Evil and sin are not more powerful than nor equal to God; therefore, if they exist, it is because God has permitted them to exist.
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If they exist, where did evil and sin come from?
Did they create themselves?
They are not equal to or more powerful than God, so did God create them when he created all things?
Is 55: 8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways,”
So I go with Job who said he received evil at the hand of the Lord. And Job was not lying or sinning when he said that.
God gave us the choice to accept Him as our Creator and God or to reject Him.
Adam and Eve created the original sin by eating from the fruit of the tree of knowledge (inspired by Satan).
Actually 1/3 of the angels following Satan first rejected God.
God is Good and His creation is good. God did not create sin or evil.
God allowed His angels and human beings the choice to accept or reject God. God Is Love, but does not force us to love Him.
Evil is a description of an absence of goodness – kind of like how darkness (a real but not existing thing) is what we call the absence of light (an existing thing). So, although evil is real it is not a created thing.
God “created all things that they might exist, and the generative forces of the world are wholesome” (Wis. 1:14). God only “creates” evil in the way that a donut maker “creates” a hole—not by giving a non-existing thing existence, but by creating a substance whose absence is named. In the metaphysical sense, evil does not exist in itself, so it is not accurate to claim that God created it.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/did-god-create-evil-2
God gave us the choice to accept Him as our Creator and God or to reject Him.
Adam and Eve created the original sin by eating from the fruit of the tree of knowledge (inspired by Satan).
Actually 1/3 of the angels following Satan first rejected God.
God is Good and His creation is good. God did not create sin or evil.
God allowed His angels and human beings the choice to accept or reject God. God Is Love, but does not force us to love Him.
Evil is a description of an absence of goodness – kind of like how darkness (a real but not existing thing) is what we call the absence of light (an existing thing). So, although evil is real it is not a created thing.
God “created all things that they might exist, and the generative forces of the world are wholesome” (Wis. 1:14). God only “creates” evil in the way that a donut maker “creates” a hole—not by giving a non-existing thing existence, but by creating a substance whose absence is named. In the metaphysical sense, evil does not exist in itself, so it is not accurate to claim that God created it.
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/did-god-create-evil-2
God created Satan, knowing that he would become evil, so He created evil, arguably indirectly.
Meanwhile I looked at the book of Wis.
Verse 1:13 For God did not make Death, he takes no pleasure in destroying the living.
Then I looked at Deut. 32:39
American Standard Version
See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand.
So Wis. does not agree with Deut. And God is speaking in Deut. I’ll believe Him.
The poster you are exchanging with is steeped in Catholic Tradition. He will not be able to see what you are offering.
Your comment: “God created Satan, knowing that he would become evil, so He created evil, arguably indirectly.”
God created all of us knowing that we may reject His Church, Sacraments and His love and that we will sin and do evil, yet he allows us to repent do penance and be saved.
God has given humans many chances to accept His love and follow Him (up to our death), while the angels had one chance to make a decision.
Knowing what someone will choose evil and sin does not make God evil or that he created evil. God is a loving God, not a dictator who makes us love Him.
In Duet 32:39 states that God allowed death to humans as a temporal punishment to Adam and Eve for the original sin and consequently to all humans. Exodus 3:19 “You are dust, and to dust you shall return.”
Death is temporary and we will all have eternal life either in Heaven or Hell. We choose based on our belief in God’s Truth (not our version of God’s Truth), and our love of God and our neighbor.
Your comment: “The poster you are exchanging with is steeped in Catholic Tradition. He will not be able to see what you are offering.”
So he believes that God created evil (”God created Satan, knowing that he would become evil, so He created evil, arguably indirectly”).
I responded with reason that God could not create evil: “Knowing what someone will choose evil and sin does not make God evil or that he created evil. God is a loving God, not a dictator who makes us love Him.”
So you believe that God created evil? Can you explain with reason how God created evil?
Yes. I believe in the Word of God that Jesus gave His Catholic Church and still follows instead of the protestant version(s) proclaimed by men.
Christ warned us about false prophets. Matthew 7:15
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