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To: the OlLine Rebel; infool7

Dear FRiends;

While looking at old Lutheran catechism, found that:

Unfortunately, the RC and ELCA at least, have the Ten Commandments in the Creed wrong.

They have changed the Bible. The 3rd Commandment is missing, and instead they split the 10th Commandment on coveting ANYTHING in two.

The 3rd Commandment that is missing is this:

“4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. “

And it is a big one, with a lot to it.

All those statues are a sin under the 10 Commandments, and a foundational issue.

. . What else in these churches is missing . . .”


210 posted on 01/31/2022 11:37:20 AM PST by Norski (Justin Trudeau has tested positive for Coward-19.)
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To: Norski

If you really believe that

Catholics are worshiping idols

you are SERIOUSLY confused.

It’s actually pretty insulting to even suggest such

an absurd thing in polite company.

Would you even have the courage to say

something that stupid to anyone’s face?

7


217 posted on 01/31/2022 1:38:08 PM PST by infool7 (Pray as though everything depended on God. Work as though everything depended on you.)
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To: Norski
I have no idea what an old Lutheran catechism says, but the Book states:

 
Deuteronomy
Chapter 5:5-22
Exodus
Chapter 20:1-18

5 (I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to shew you the word of the LORD: for ye were afraid by reason of the fire, and went not up into the mount;) saying, 6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.

8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:

9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:

14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

17 Thou shalt not kill.

18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.

19 Neither shalt thou steal.

20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

22 These words the LORD spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.

1 And God spake all these words, saying, 2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
 
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6  And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.


 

241 posted on 02/01/2022 5:45:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Norski

To me, the critical part of the Lutherans changing scripture, as per the third commandment, is that after changing it, they bind a corrupted ten commandments on their members.

What else in these churches is missing . . .”

They celebrate the Lord’s supper as a sacrament of forgiveness of sins. Scripture teaches that the communion is celebrated as a “remembrance.” Furthermore, scripture teaches that communion is to be taken every first day of the week; once a month or fewer times by Lutherans.

The organization chart for the New Testament church was Jesus, then the elders of each individual congregation. Not so with Lutherans and other top-down churches.

Baptism was by immersion in the New Testament; not sprinkling or pouring.

Their catechism is equivalent to the “traditions of the (Jewish) elders” which Jesus condemned.

Scripture teaches that all Christians are saints. All the special designated “saints” I hear about are man-made saints.

And the most disheartening is that they welcome some of the categories condemned in the last half of Romans 1.

One reply to your comment asserted that RCs do not pray to idols. Technically correct. Prayer, by definition, is directed to more powerful spiritual beings who are capable of answering your prayer. No apostle or other human holds such a spiritual office. Mary cannot answer anyone’s prayer. Hebrews teaches that each and every Christian can pray directly to Jesus. We are priests and he is the High Priest so we don’t need intermediaries.


267 posted on 02/03/2022 9:29:43 AM PST by NorthStarOkie (You are what you are because that is exactly what you want to be. Marcos Aurelius)
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