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[Catholic Caucus] The war on Mass “ad orientem”.
Fr. Z's Blog ^ | January 26, 2022 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 01/26/2022 3:57:05 PM PST by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] The war on Mass “ad orientem”

And so it begins.

This just in from a reader…

My bishop (Venice in Florida) has just (via a letter to his priests) forbidden the use of ad orientem in any Novus Ordo Masses with a congregation. He asserts that the Novus Ordo mandates versus populum and that any other interpretation is false.

 

It would be interesting to see that letter, wouldn’t it.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
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1 posted on 01/26/2022 3:57:05 PM PST by ebb tide
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Ping


2 posted on 01/26/2022 3:57:47 PM PST by ebb tide (Where are the good fruits of the Second Vatican Council? Anyone?)
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To: ebb tide

From ad orientem to ad populum to ad nauseum.


3 posted on 01/26/2022 4:04:16 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear (This is not a tagline.)
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To: ebb tide

The letter is linked in the comments on Fr Z’s site. The bishop’s argument rests 100% on a discredited mistranslation of item #299 in the GIRM. It took me literally 30 seconds with Google to get the evidence to show that it’s a mistranslation.


4 posted on 01/26/2022 4:15:15 PM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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To: ebb tide
The mistranslation says that versus populum is preferred wherever possible. The correct translation says that freestanding altars, which permit versus populum, are preferred where possible.
5 posted on 01/26/2022 4:18:05 PM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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To: ebb tide

Does not so mandate.

Ad orientam is the default. Any other interpretation is an invention.


6 posted on 01/26/2022 4:59:57 PM PST by one guy in new jersey
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To: Campion

‘The correct translation says that freestanding altars, which permit versus populum, are preferred where possible.’

well, all parishes have freestanding altars, regardless of the age of the church itself...


7 posted on 01/26/2022 5:13:53 PM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade
Actually, freestanding altars were rather uncommon prior to the Council.

GIRM 299 is quoting (not sure if it's word-for-word) VCII Sacrosanctum Concilium.

8 posted on 01/28/2022 11:23:19 AM PST by Campion (NO Wag-the-Dog WARS for Big Guy Brandon's 10%)
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