Why Do Traditional Catholics Still Pray the Fatima Prayers for the Conversion of Russia?

Self | 12/19/2021 | CharlesOconnell

[CharlesOConnell]

The Oligarchs are liable to find that AOC or another more charismatic dictator will put them in their place.

Isn't Russia now far more religious and traditional than the US? Yes, but we still pray for Russia's conversion because of the "Russia" infesting the soul of America. A leader of the Frankfurt School, to make the West stink, was Herbert Marcuse, of Columbia, Harvard, Brandeis and UC San Diego, whose contribution to CRT and other current wokist aberrations, was then called partisan tolerance, wide "tolerance", but only of only "correct" views.

I don’t believe we’re in the end times, because the long suffering of house Christians in China and the vigorous strength of the Church in Africa, don’t fit Jesus’ prophetic characterization of the end, that there would be almost no faith found on earth, and He would have to put a stop to, what I call, the death spiral down into hell on earth, so that the Elect might be saved. China and Africa contradict the end-times scenario for the present.

But the Oligarchs who use the political dynamite of wokeism as a toy, are liable to find that the consolidation of the world economy under Vanguard/BlackRock/StateSt. for the benefit of those 2,100+ rapacious Oligarch billionaires, is liable to have certain unintended consequences. Russia and China lead the way, in putting "Oligarchs" in their place. Klaus Schwab Rothschild’s "Global Reset" is just liable to find a strong political leader that will send the Oligarchs to their own "re-education camps"—and they’re not liable to be fur lined.

[Cronos]

I dunno. Here we don’t pray for the conversion of Russia.

[Sacajaweau]

I'm praying for the conversion of the USA.

Killing babies...tranny guys in girls bathrooms and killing girl's sports. The world of PC is off the wall.

My Freedom of Speech questioned at every word.

God help us!!

[wastedyears]

It’s hilarious seeing women destroyed by mentally ill men in sports.

Equal rights, equal lefts.

[NWFree]

They can’t kill us all - they haven’t built enough ovens 🤪

[Qilin]

I’m praying for the conversion of FR. There is so much hate, ill-will, foul language, threats of violence here, that I really have to wonder how many are Christian.

[Wallace T.]

While the Russian government favors the Russian Orthodox Church and recognizes Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism as traditional religions of Russia, Catholics, Protestants, and various groups like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Adventists, with Western origins, are restricted in a number of ways, such as proselytizing. Better than under the Communists, but not true religious freedom.

[daniel1212]

"While the Russian government favors the Russian Orthodox Church and recognizes Islam, Judaism, and Buddhism as traditional religions of Russia, Catholics, Protestants, and various groups like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Adventists, with Western origins, are restricted in a number of ways, such as proselytizing. Better than under the Communists, but not true religious freedom."

And do you think that a RC monarchy, which TradCaths long for, would be more tolerant?

[reg45]

The Russian Orthodox Church is far less corrupted by the Frankfurt School of cultural Marxism than are the Western Churches.

[pierrem15]

Isn't Russia now far more religious and traditional than the US?

Nonsense. Less than 4% of Russians have ever read any of the Bible. Putin's restoration of the Orthodox church is a propaganda sham, as quite easy to see in the Russian Orthodox Church's hysterical response to the call for a Ukrainian Orthodox Patriarch independent of Moscow. The Russian Orthodox Church remains what it has always been: a tool of the Russian state.

[JoanSmith]

There is already a canonical Ukranian bishop, who has openly refused to become Patriarch. The issue with Denshenko has to do with Canon Law, Church law over 1,000 years old. Denshenko is an adulterer and murderer. He got kicked out the Church and started his own. This is anathema. The Russian Church’s response to this is not hysterical. The other Patriarchs side with Moscow. Can you name the other Patriarchs? Do you know their mutual authority?

Much like how science has nothing to do with politics, Canon Law has nothing to do with politics. But most people who aren’t Orthodox wouldn’t be able to comprehend the situation, unless they were willing to sit down and actually listen to someone explain it.

[Wallace T.]

As a Protestant, I don't know the spectrum of political positions traditionalist Catholics hold, However, not all are throne and altar authoritarians. The Lew Rockwell website is libertarian yet Mr. Rockwell and some of his contributors are traditionalist Catholics, e.g. Tom Woods.

However, the political positions of traditionalist Catholics are irrelevant to the fact that the rulers of Russia are hostile to the Western democracies. Its closest ally is China, and it maintains strong relations with Marxist nations in our hemisphere. Poland and Hungary, despite being culturally conservative and fighting the cultural Marxists in Brussels, are hostile to Russia and are NATO members.

While Russia never engaged in the election interference of which the American Left accused them, that nation remains an adversary of the U.S.A.

[Ge0ffrey]

What prayer are you talking about?

[Wallace T.]

I agree that the Russian Orthodox Church is far less corrupted by cultural Marxism than are the mainline Protestant denominations and even among evangelicals, e.g., Mark Dever, Russell Moore, and JD Greaer in Southern Baptist ranks, independent churches such as McLean Bible Church in Virginia, PCA churches like Trinity Church in New York, and the Salvation Army. Of course, there is also the liberal wing of the Catholic Church, personified by Pope Francis.

That being said, the lack of penetration by cultural Marxism, which was rejected in the Soviet Union except as a tool to subvert the Western democracies, does not mean that these Orthodox churches are not now compromised by their close association with the Putin regime. The Russians are the allies of China, Iran, and numerous Marxist regimes throughout the world. In earlier times, were the Anglican and Catholic churches not compromised by their close association with the English or Spanish and French crowns, respectively?