[Catholic Caucus] Don’t Avoid The SSPX. Avoid The VC II Church.

Mundabor's Blog ^ | November 9, 2021 | Mundabor

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[Catholic Caucus] Don’t Avoid The SSPX. Avoid The VC II Church.

The Diocese of Denver has “warned” their faithful from attending Mass at a chapel of the SSPX. Some people really are tone deaf.

Such an appeal would have been dumb enough in normal times. People don’t attend at the SSPX chapel because they happen to be in the neighbourhood. They attend there because the TLM gives them a nourishment the Novus Ordo never could, and they want to give witness of sound Catholicism in the time of Francis.

The dumbness becomes, then, absolutely idiotic if you consider that we live in TC times, when Vatican thugs tell you that the TLM is divisive and they will shut down as many of them as they can. It’s quite amazing that a Bishop can be so tone-deaf, or so incompetent, or so outright, well, stupid that he does not understand that the attendance at any SSPX chapel is as assured and deliberate now as it ever was.

On the contrary, such “appeals” coming from the same V II church that is now clearly working against her own faithful in any way she can will only reinforce the popularity of the Society.

I would like to make the contrary appeal to the faithful of the Diocese of Denver: if at all reasonably practical, ditch the Diocese and its V II mass and attend at the SSPX. Send there all your friends and all your donations, too! If the Bishop allows some TLM there – likely, because the competition of the SSPX is there – you may want to make an exception for the TLM masses, but for them only.

Who knows, when the music get strident enough even those extremely tone deaf bishops might begin to understand that something is very wrong with their attitude, and they need to start cleaning up their shop.

I am not even interested here if this Diocese is not one of the worst ones. If they attack Tradition in every form, they should get what’s coming to them.

After TC there is no “good bishop who doesn’t really like the SSPX” anymore.

You defend Tradition, or you are against us.

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Cdl. Burke says they are in schism...END of story....

Is that the same Cardinal Burke who said a formal correction of Francis would be forthcoming if he did not address the four cardinals dubia to his heretical Amoris Laetitia?

That was 1878 days ago, Murph. That's over five years ago.

And an FYI:

Cardinal Castrillon: SSPX Never in Schism

and

Bishop Against Bishop

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You were holding up the SSPX as if it was free from homosexual priests.

That's a lie. I did no such thing.

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Won't last for long in Denver, Captain. Aquila has made sure of that:

I further decree that the celebration of the Mass as a practicum according to the 1962 Roman Missal not be taught at St. John Vianney Theological Seminary and Redemptoris Mater Seminary in Denver.

Most Reverend Samuel J. Aquila

So much for "Faith of Our Fathers, Living Still". Francis and his bishops "in full communion" with him are doing their best to kill that faith of our fathers.

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"Full Communion"

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How does one contact SSPX in Denver?

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You call them up...
And ask them - "What is the going price for my Soul"... and make certain...

"Is it still 30 pcs. of silver?"

[MurphsLaw]

Let's talk about Bishop Williamson... shall we ??

One of the foundational pieces of this new Schism ...

Is that your new boasted Christian?

God is not fooled.

Actions my friend- Actions.... Yeah sure- They believe in the Magisterial Authority for the Church---
They Lied to and deceived JP2,
They toyed with the good will of BXVI,
They play with Pope Francis not realizing he's greasing the slide for them...

Yeah this Pope is bad, and he wants to be bad... suck it up, the Holy Spirit sees the testing of our Faith
Cutting and running is for cowards -
JP2 was the polar opposite of this Pope and those SSPX schismatics crapped all over that Holy Man, disrespecting his office.... yeah sure... believe the SSPX mouth pieces... They're the Good Guys....

Stop asking people to Abandon the Church Christ gave us-
Christ never abandoned Us.

FSSP is where the Trad Faithful should go-
IF they must.

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You're pathetic.

Williamson was booted out of the SSPX in 2012.

Stick with your modernist heretics like Robert Barron and James Martin, S.J. Your knowledge of orthodox Catholicism is sorely lacking. You're still spouting such nonsense as Catholics worship Mary or Catholics would be better off apostatizing than attending SSPX masses. And here you are calling good Catholics "schismatic".

Grow up and learn to pick your enemies better.

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Oh my bad... I thought HE WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL FOUNDING BISHOPS INTEGRAL TO THE APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION for the Schismatics...

STOP IN YOUR ATTEMPTS IN KEEPING Souls from finding CHRIST IN HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH-

The Church will prevail the fallen nature of humans- there's no doubt about it - but don't think for ONE minute God is pleased with the abandonment of what he established here on earth... His Kingdom IS coming as is promised in today's Gospel verse...
and those who have not fought for his Church against human flaw, but rather chose to sit by and assist in trying to take The Church down- encouraging satanic infiltration have a more important rebuke coming their way... Yes, satan is smarter than you

It has never been about assigning or picking enemies. Thats the anti- proponents game who need to have enemies to validate their ego.

No...it all boils down to protecting the Church God entrusted to Us.

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the
devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host,
by the Divine Power of God,
cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls.

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Stick to your modernist heretics. The ones who dare hope Christ was lying about souls going to Hell. You'll feel much more comfortable in their new church with their new mass and new sacraments.

Have you submitted your application yet to be a womyn priest or deacon?

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It has never been about assigning or picking enemies.

Oh, your heretic hero, Boobie Barron, is all about picking enemies and you are just emulating him with your vitriol.

In the Face of Worldwide Apostasy, Bishop Robert Barron Attacks Traditional Catholics

Two peas in a pod. Modernists are such a hateful, unhappy bunch.

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The FSSP has a beautiful church and a growing parish in the greater Denver area; I imagine the local SSPX chapter has lost members to it.

I think the plan was to attract as many parishioners to the FSSP parish, starve the the SSPX parish, and then at some point in the future, shut down the FSSP parish as well and leave "those awful traditional Catholics" no place to go. It was a plan of ghettoization. But it hasn't worked and won't work for one reason. The Holy Spirit. Tradition is attractive and both FSSP and SSPX parishes continue grow while the NO parishes starve and wither. The 1960s radicals are becoming increasingly desperate to rescue their failing revolution as they head toward their eternal Day of Reckoning.

[Captain Walker]

I think you might be on to something.

From what I have heard, a bishop with an SSPX presence in his diocese will often encourage the FSSP or ICKSP to open a church in order to siphon members from the SSPX. (Apparently, lay people are quite willing to leave an SSPX parish although outside of the original group who left at the time the FSSP was founded, none of the SSPX's ordained clergy has taken this step.)

Whether this is part of a greater plan to eventually close the doors on the FSSP or IKSP, I really don't know. While we tend to paint the Catholic hierarchy in this country with a pretty broad brush, there are bishops who have been quite supportive of their Latin Mass communities, and have really left them alone.

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STOP IN YOUR ATTEMPTS IN KEEPING Souls from finding CHRIST IN HIS ONE TRUE CHURCH-

You should address that directive to your hero, Boobie Barron.

Is Jesus Christ the ‘privileged way’ to salvation—or the only way?

Bishop Barron has run into serious trouble with settled and definitive Catholic teaching about salvation.

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(Apparently, lay people are quite willing to leave an SSPX parish although outside of the original group who left at the time the FSSP was founded, none of the SSPX's ordained clergy has taken this step.)

Actually, it's been the opposite. During the first six months of the scamdemic the FSSP in my diocese obeyed its bishop, whom I consider to be a heretic, and halted all Masses and Holy Communion. The SSPX continued to offer Masses, actually more masses on Sunday with less people at each Mass. As a result many FSSP laymen started attending those Masses and they have since stayed. I am one of them. That same bishop has been one of the most ruthless in enforcing Bergoglio's Traditiones Custodes.

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As a result many FSSP laymen started attending those Masses and they have since stayed. I am one of them.

I'm sorry to hear that. If you can attend a licit Mass, why would you persist in attending an illicit one?

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I see that the traditional polish Dominican priest, Fr. Wojciech Gołaski O.P., has chosen to seek refuge with the SSPX, not the FSSP.

Open letter by Dominican theologian Fr. Wojciech Gołaski: “I must bear witness to the treasure of the holy rites of the Church”

I have been left no choice now but to turn to those who from the very beginning of the radical changes (changes, let it be noted, that go far beyond the will of the Second Vatican Council) have defended the Tradition of the Church, together with the Church’s respect for the requirements of reason, and who continue to pass on the unchangeable deposit of Catholic faith to the faithful: the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Pius X. The SSPX has shown a readiness to accept me, whilst fully respecting my Dominican identity. It is providing me not only with a life of service to God and the Church, a service not impeded by contradictions, but also with an opportunity to oppose those contradictions which are an enemy to Truth, and which have attacked the Church so vigorously.

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Papally Approved? Unexpectedly, a New Bishop for the Society of Saint Pius X

A New Bishop for the SSPX

It has been several months that Bp. [Vitus] Huonder, bishop of Chur (Switzerland), indicated his will to live out his retirement with the Society of Saint Pius X. This time, it's official. Bp. Huonder, considered a conservative, is not only a friend of the SSPX, but close to Pope Francis, who had refused his resignation in 2017 [See Rorate's post from the time.]. In other words, one can live out one's retirement with the SSPX as with any other religious congregation! According to our information, Bp. Huonder would live in retirement in a school kept by the Society in Switzerland. In short, an example of this "statute by installments" enjoyed by the Society. With the agreement of the Pope of the peripheries. There it is, an additional evidence of the regularization of the SSPX. [Monde & Vie, January 17, 2019, n. 965, p. 19]

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Fool me once, shame on my bishop; fool me twice, shame on me.

And why not? Pope Francis has said it's ok to attend SSPX Masses. Besides I don't like most "licit" Masses offered by heretics in "full communion".