Posted on 10/19/2021 4:03:08 AM PDT by Cronos
Modalism views God as a being that has three different forms-sometimes in the "form" the "Father", sometimes "Son", sometime "Holy Spirit", BUT NEVER ALL THREE AT THE SAME TIME.
...Modalists ...admit that the "role/mode" of the "Son" did not exist before the incarnation and it will cease at the second coming as per 1 Cor. 15:23-28...God took the role of Father in the OT, the Son during Jesus life on earth, and the Holy Spirit during the "church age".
...they view the Holy Spirit is just the power of God rather than God himself.
They view God as one in number rather than in unity
"The Oneness Of God", David K. Bernard, 1956
(Excerpt) Read more at bible.ca ...
Is there any UPC adherent who refutes the above?
Also, the entire modalist argument is a very interesting early church disagreement on how to understand the Trinity and also to understand the nature of the Godhead and the nature of Jesus. That is why I think the Theotokos ("God bearer") term for Mary is important - it clearly denotes that the created being, Mary, was the Mother of God Jesus - not the mother of "the human aspect of Jesus" but the mother, the bearer of her creator.
Let's keep discussions civil
Modalism is 100% heretical whether you are Catholic, Orthodox, or mainline Protestant. It requires a butchering of John 1:1 and can be seen as a formof Arianism.
Modalism is refuted utterly in Mark 1:10-12.
10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
11 And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
12 And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness.
To me they talk in tight circles of confusion. So confusing they confuse themselves. They work very hard to be different and persecuted.
It feels like they go out of their way to make their religosity much harder than it needs to be.
To each his own.
I have known some really good people of that church but stay away from the zealots and the saved fallen who seem to gravitate there.
I mostly have no use for their spiritual leaders. Too full of themselves. I could be led to Heaven but I won’t follow any man to hell.
I think it is separate from Arianism (Seventh day Adventists and Jehovah’s witnesses).
Arianism is about Jesus being created before time so a lesser god.
Moralism is different.
As well as texts such as
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15:26)
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:2)
UPC: Think of God as a "shape shifter" that can change His form into three different shapes or modes!
Modualism, also known as Sabellianism, is an old heresy which was condemned by Tertullian (c. 213, Tertullian Against Praxeas 1, in Ante Nicene Fathers, vol. 3) and by Dionysius, bishop of Rome (c. 262)
But Catholics have their own form of "shape shifter," that of the whole and entire true body and blood of the crucified Christ locally existing under the appearance of consecrated bread and in wine, in every particle, though the visible testable consecrated bread and wine do not really exist even though every material test would show them to be a just what they appear to be, as would the incarnated body of Christ, but which the wafer and wine christ does not. Meaning a christ whose appearance does not conform to what He materially was (like a form of Docetism, another heresy), but which manifest physicality Scripture emphasized of the real incarnated Christ (Is. 53; Lk. 24:39; John 20:27; 1 John 4:2; 5:6,8). Moreover, this christ ceases to locally exist once the non-existent bread or wine begins to manifest (sight now becoming important) decay (which would be invisibly ongoing anyway). Documentation and more, by the grace of God.
Yeah, post a flame bait thread and then lecture people like an old school marm.
What hypocrisy.
Which bear? Are you UPC? Is the article correctly outlining your belief system?
But Catholics...
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Is THIS shape shifting?
And he said, “Are you also still without understanding? Do you not see that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the stomach and is expelled?
Matt 15:16-17
Are you UPC? Is the article telling the truth about your faith?
So, do the UPC actually believe what the website alleges?
No. No.
Not, your turn:
Cronos, do you think of yourself FIRST as a Christian or a Roman Catholic?
That’s dumb, I’m a Christian. Catholicism along with orthodoxy is the fullness of Christianity.
Do you consider yourself a pre tribulation rapturist?
I think I detect the problem.
Do you consider yourself a Vatican II RCC??
Do you consider yourself a Francis is a good pope' RCC?
That's good!
The rest of your first paragraph is what's "dumb."
Yes. I believe the Tribulation precedes the "Great Tribulation." The "Great" Tribulation could be the second 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation. I don't KNOW yet.
Since you FIRST consider yourself to be a "Christian", what exactly is your basis for that belief?
I MEANT to write:
Yes. I believe the Tribulation Rapture precedes the "Great Tribulation." The "Great" Tribulation could be the second 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation. I don't KNOW yet.
I still don't know yet.
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